I Know They Didnt Make A 1878-S Morgan Proof

No doubt, Bryan, that's one gorgeous Morgan! It'd be right up there in the prooflike grades, IMNSHO - MS-66PL at the least. The PCGS popn report (Jul 04) shows about 400 graded MS-66 and MS-66PL and above with 21 at MS-67 and, incredibly MS-68, so the quality of this Morgan isn't unheard of. Price isn't bad either in raw condition presuming it grades out like the image. It has too much of everything to be counterfeit: luster and detail, primarily; seems to me a Morgan counterfeiter would want to keep a coin from being too perfect to avoid people taking too close a look.

One other point: Bowers ( Red Book of Morgan dollars) states that millions of these early mintages went right into storage in SF directly from the presses and stayed there until the 1950s when they were released to casinos. Many were held back by the casinos which recognized their appreciation potential, so didn't run them through the machines.

Fred

Bryan,
I'm pretty sure its not a fake.My book says there were some 78 S's that were struck with prooflike dies. I also have a 1878S thats pretty close to proof like but not as good as that one. Obverse being more proof like the reverse.

Here is another one of his items he had up for sale, I am not sure if his coins are the nicest I have seen, or he is just good at taking pictures and manipulating the pictures to make the coin look better






And here is another one This one is priced in the EF range, it has got to be nicer than that dont ya think?

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Originally posted by SuperDave

I'd post a reply, but I can't seem to find my voice....

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is that a good thing or bad thing? does the 94 have you choked up?

The '78 is to die for. You just can't fake what that coin is showing, unless you're an absolute master. The CC is, if not to die for, at least to get very sick for.

The '94 has had work, either on the photo or the coin. It's way too clean for the wear. I think it would see AU50-53 based on market grading, except it's spent too much time in the EZest.

Yep thats who it is, here is his ebay page http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZhsturnQQhtZ-1 sorry it took so long to respond to the question on who it was but I overlooked that part of the reply. He has had quite a few (11) Mutually withdrawn feedbacks and from looking at toolhaus they have all been about them not receiving what he described, that was why I was wondering if he just had a few magnificent coins in the last week or does these things actually look that good. I clicked on some of his links that people left negative feedback on and they may look ok but nothing like the ones I posted these coins were just way to good to be true

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Originally posted by Bryan1315

Here is a link to the 1878-S that I showed in the first post http://cgi.ebay.com/1878-S-MORGAN-S...cmdZViewItem. So SuperDave, this coin has been photoshoped and if they can make a coin look this good with photoshop how in the world would a normal person be able to tell the difference between one that has been fixed and one that is original?

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You can't tell the difference. That's why more experienced collectors are always advising the newer collectors to be so darn careful around Internet auctions.

By maximizing the lighting advantage when photographing the coin, you can add an easy two or three grades to any coin. Then a little blurring in Photoshop (nothing major - just reduce the size of the existing marks so you can argue it's the same coin), and you have an instant PL.

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Originally posted by Bryan1315

WOW thats scary, Thats why I only buy slabbed coins atleast I know atleast the TPG thought it deserved that grade on that specific day

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[:0]WoW!!! The 78 and 94 are real beauties!!! [:0]