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2000 P Massachusetts State Quarter - DD, MD Or Worn Die

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 Posted 05/07/2010  12:39 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Brent Williams to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Opened up one of the mint mixed bags of 99's and 00's $25 dollar face and was a bit miffed as to it's appearance.

Because of my lack of knowledge, I am going to give a guess to what I think it is. Let me know how I am doing with my diagnostics and what I may say wrong. Here goes

1) If it were MD, I think it would look more shelf like, not round and bulging from the sides, Let alone the "bulging" is on both sides(would like to know if that is a fact)

2) Looks like some DD's I have seen minus one small detail - notching. I just might not be seeing it but I am going onto #3

3) Worn Die - If it is a worn die than this is the best example I have held or seen, then again I haven't been around the forum for long and this might be common.

My gut says DD but my head says worn die - must go with, no maybe, no its got to be, well I see this, no stick with this, it can't be, well shoot -

Help Please



2000-P--Massachusetts-State-Quarter---DD,-MD-Or-Worn-Die

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 Posted 05/07/2010  12:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Namachieli to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Because of the blotchyness, I would agree, Worn Die
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That does not look like Die Deterioration Doubling to me. Look at this thread from yesterday for a pic of Die Deterioration Doubling on a State Quarter; it looks more like shadows, or reflections.

https://goccf.com/t/64529


As to whether it is a doubled die, or MD, I dunno.

( edit )
Oh, yes, Die Deterioration Doubling is common.

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05/07/2010 1:32 pm
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Thanks steve199, I followed that thread and this one https://goccf.com/t/64489. These threads are what made me decide to open up the mint bag - I don't think I will buy bags anymore - they get the crap kicked out of them.

Here is a picture of the whole coin - I am working on some tips on close up shots - should have great pictures shortly.

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Die wear is always toward the rim. More close ups would help, that is what I'm seeing in the images posted so far. Images of the rest of the devices might help as well. But so far that is what I see. Looks like some Machine Doubling on the motto area. So it could be a little of both. Most of the single squeeze doubled dies the area in the center is affected. On the multiple hubbed ones in time past the doubling would be seen on the outer devices.
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Not sure if these are any better, did add a shot of LIBERTY and that definitely looks to be MD. Can see it on all letters but right side is more definite. Both A's, the M, are and C in AMERICA are what doesn't look MD or at least something else is going on.


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So it could be a little of both. Most of the single squeeze doubled dies the area in the center is affected. On the multiple hubbed ones in time past the doubling would be seen on the outer devices.


coop, This is why my head said not DD. These seem to be extreme to me (A's, M, R, C) could these all be die chips. I guess it could be MD on a worn die with die chips. Could be I am just looking to much into it. Its been a long week.

I can try to take other shots if anyone wants one but it looks like this is the best I can do on picture quality at this time. I did try.

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2000-P--Massachusetts-State-Quarter---DD,-MD-Or-Worn-Die

2000-P--Massachusetts-State-Quarter---DD,-MD-Or-Worn-Die

2000-P--Massachusetts-State-Quarter---DD,-MD-Or-Worn-Die

2000-P--Massachusetts-State-Quarter---DD,-MD-Or-Worn-Die

Looks like I have to re-size some of the other shots - not sure if they are even needed.
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Rim looks gouged out.
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Looks more like chips from the next batch of images. Thanks for going the extra mile for them. I guess its worth on what it says on the dated side of this coin.
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That's a fine example of something. As a collector, I think it's worth a little more than face value because it's a fine example of something. Great logic, eh?
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This is extreme Die Deterioration, the images are mushy and distorted, extreme die wear, and I have seen many like this on the Statehood Quarters
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 Posted 05/10/2010  11:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Brent Williams to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks again to all of you. I am going to keep this for my personal reference for extreme die wear with die chips. Wish it was more but I learn with each post - so thanks again for your time

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