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delaner Pillar of the Community United States 870 Posts	Posted 05/10/2010 11:11 pm So, I had the idea to have a listing of KNOWN counterfeits - you know, something for n00bs like myself to have a look at in case we get excited when we see a killer deal on ebay on an 1804 half dollar. I did a poll and it only got a few votes - I think around 20 - 67% for. Nobody acted on it, so I thought I'd give it a try and see if anybody finds value in this as I do. The thread with the poll is here (so you can weigh in): https://goccf.com/t/64446 Mods, please delete if I'm out of line here, I'm honestly trying to add value to the forum. If this sticks here (in one of the most popular categories), it might be worth doing elsewhere. Time will tell, we shall see. So RULES: This is supposed to be a thread containing information for "KNOWN" common counterfeits - garbage from China, things to watch out for regarding added mintmarks, funny lettering. This is NOT a place to call out what you feel may be fake on ebay. This is NOT a thread to make sellers look bad (unless they really are known baddies). This IS a thread designed to be helpful and educate uneducated buyers on what to watch out for. Anybody that has ideas for making this thread more effective, helpful, et cetera, please chime in! I've spent some time re-perusing the threads I found incredibly helpful in terms of real numismatic valuation, experiences of experienced members, and generally what to think about and what to watch out for when you're getting into this hobby. Other members, please share threads that you feel I missed, please tell me if any are out of place and I will add/remove as you all see fit! Here are my favorites so far: "Seller relists counterfeit coin" http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...PIC_ID=35608 " VAM counterfeits listed as legitimate variety" https://goccf.com/t/55998 "Possible $3 Gold 1885 Counterfeit" http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...PIC_ID=27428 "More ebay Chinese Counterfeits" http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...PIC_ID=47870 "1916-S Buffalo nickel - what to look for" http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...PIC_ID=49138 "Counterfeit PCGS Holders" https://goccf.com/t/27788 "Common US Counterfeit Thread" http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...PIC_ID=16098 "Old Fake $20 Baldwin Coin" http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...PIC_ID=34094 "Common Dealer Provenance Concerns" https://goccf.com/t/64591 "What to look for in a counterfeit 1916 Counterfeit SLQ" https://goccf.com/t/63781 "What to look for in a counterfeit Indian cent" https://goccf.com/t/64209 https://goccf.com/t/63947 https://goccf.com/t/63283 "PCGS 'Genuine' and the Philosophy of Collecting" https://goccf.com/t/63761 "1923S SLQ" https://goccf.com/t/63747 " Mercury dimes" http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...&whichpage=2 I hope this is a good start and helpful to people as finding these threads were to me! Feedback is appreciated - Cheers! Update: Turns out the 1901S Barber quarter Dollar is among the most counterfeited of US coins - here's what I found: http://www.barbercoins.org/Counterf...uarters.html http://www.barbercoins.org/1901SBQ.html Update (5/20/2010):A bit about Trade dollars - some of the most counterfeited US coins and what to look out for: http://www.cointalk.com/t63695-2/ https://goccf.com/t/65308 https://goccf.com/t/62685 Edited by delaner 05/20/2010 12:47 pm Report this Post to the Staff

wheatguy Pillar of the Community United States 1534 Posts	Posted 05/10/2010 11:20 pm However, to be honest the best teacher is experience. Seeing many known counterfeits will most likely not help people in the long run. Good advice is not to buy any expensive or any coins you don't know much about, research and then start buying. Many people lose money because they buy coins and then complain that they got ripped off, even though they didn't put any effort into learning about coins. This wasn't directed at you of course, I am not against the idea of a counterfeit thread. In my opinion though, a better idea would be for a person to study and read all the threads they can here on CCF, and then ask questions about counterfeits or questionable coins they aren't sure about. Report this Post to the Staff
johnny54321 Rest in Peace United States 4849 Posts	Posted 05/11/2010 12:31 am Quote: "Possible $3 Gold 1885 Counterfeit" http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...PIC_ID=27428 ahh, this was the coin that brought me to the forums, almost turned me away from coin collecting, and has gone down as my dumbest purchase ever.... I'm sure as heck glad I didn't give up. Report this Post to the Staff
delaner Pillar of the Community United States 870 Posts	Posted 05/11/2010 03:17 am Quote: a better idea would be for a person to study and read all the threads they can here on CCF, and then ask questions about counterfeits or questionable coins they aren't sure about. I agree - I just wanted a place to put all of the counterfeit and "experience threads" - all kinda in one starting place. I feel like these threads together embody a lot of experience and give an idea of what to look for when you're getting started. Johnny - glad you stuck with it, too, you've assembled quite a collection. =) Edited by delaner 05/11/2010 03:25 am Report this Post to the Staff
Saruma Pillar of the Community United States 968 Posts	Posted 05/11/2010 5:45 pm Johnny, I just read your thread about your problems with the $3 gold coin. You never gave the end of the story (in that thread at least). What happened in the end? Report this Post to the Staff
johnny54321 Rest in Peace United States 4849 Posts	Posted 05/11/2010 6:36 pm In the end, I wasn't able to return it in time, so I took the hit. :-( Report this Post to the Staff
Pandesalapi Valued Member Philippines 386 Posts	Posted 05/11/2010 9:04 pm Quote: This IS a thread designed to be helpful and educate uneducated buyers on what to watch out for This is also a way of learning in our community and sharing each own sad experience in getting counterfeits. I myself has also been a victim of forgers particularly fake 8 reales... I can't re-sell it on ebay because I know if someone buys my fake coin, I will not only pass-on the sad experience through selling but I will be contributing to the proliferation of counterfeits. So I opted to just keep all my fake coins and charge them all to experience... If and when our moderators will agree with your counterfeit thread idea, then it will be a time for us to share the experience for others to avoid buying fake ones. Discuss thru details of our coin pictures why they are counterfeits...etc... One thing though that we should avoid is to accuse someone selling fake coin which we are not sure, in that case moderators will act whether the thread will be taken out or not. I hope the idea of Delaner will be put into consideration by our officers, elders and moderators Report this Post to the Staff
delaner Pillar of the Community United States 870 Posts	Posted 05/12/2010 1:17 pm Indeed Pandesalapi - please share your 8 Reales experience through pictures! Of course, it's a great idea to keep or destroy the counterfeits in the market - if I had my way I'd buy them up in bulk and destroy them... but then I'd be a very poor man. Quote: One thing though that we should avoid is to accuse someone selling fake coin which we are not sure, in that case moderators will act whether the thread will be taken out or not. Indeed - which is why the title of this thread is "Known Counterfeits". I believe your 8 reales is a common counterfeit coin, so I'd love to learn from you what to avoid! Please share! Of course, not here - but in the non-American Classic area... =) Edited by delaner 05/12/2010 1:31 pm Report this Post to the Staff
big777bill Valued Member United States 376 Posts	Posted 05/12/2010 9:59 pm The idea for such a forum is a good one. Sharing experience and gaining knowledge of counterfeits and techniques of counterfeiters would help the community beyond measure. I'm sure most of us have had our run-ins with fakes either through buying or seeing them for sale. The counterfeiters are getting better so we must gain knowledge to defend ourselves against them. A forum like that could be invaluable to all of us. The counterfeiters profit off of a lack of knowledge by the coin community. Report this Post to the Staff
L1011 Valued Member United States 300 Posts	Posted 05/12/2010 10:57 pm I got a 1921 Philly Walking Liberty out of a roll one time, it looked odd, strange color, felt light, just didn't look right, but what gave it away was the mm on the back, it had a small "p" stamped, Well there was Never a mm for anything that came out of philly..lol so someone didn't do enough homework Report this Post to the Staff
GO Moderator United States 6563 Posts	Posted 05/12/2010 11:05 pm Quote: Mods, please delete if I'm out of line here Not a problem at all. Report this Post to the Staff
Pandesalapi Valued Member Philippines 386 Posts	Posted 05/13/2010 01:48 am Quote: Indeed Pandesalapi - please share your 8 Reales experience through pictures! After hearing from one of our moderators that its not a problem at all, then its great. I'll be preparing the pictures including the edges of my problem 8 reales and will be posting on world coins forum as a start. Thanks to your idea Delaner and also to one of our moderator GraceOutcast for letting us to start? Catch you soon on future threads... Report this Post to the Staff
delaner Pillar of the Community United States 870 Posts	Posted 05/13/2010 1:15 pm This thread from the World Coin section has some relevance as it has a few notes about US coins in it: https://goccf.com/t/64879 Report this Post to the Staff
m9frank Pillar of the Community United States 628 Posts	Posted 05/21/2010 02:33 am Seems like a great idea to me. Report this Post to the Staff
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