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Best die crack I have found  I may be putting this in the wrong forum or more than likely I have twisted it into 2 or 3 topics - SORRY Bought this pack at auction about 3 years ago and finally got the guts to open it up. (my thinking was - never opened, worth more) I now know how easy it would be to open one of these up and reseal them as never opened, but I think I got a good one. 2 questions to start off with 1) What identifies a mint set from a proof set - I am sure I could find this info out myself but would rather spend my time looking through my coins. It was auctioned off butt a proof set - the token in the pack says US MINT PHILADELPHIA as you can see and is blue Edit Just pulled out cardboard sleeves and found the COA - its a proof - is there a way to tell from the packaging, code lettering? 2) What opinions do you all have on cutting the coin out for better inspection and then putting it into an album or airtight. Any pros and cons? I so want to cut it right now  but will wait to see what kind of cons show up.      Peace Brent Edited by Brent Williams
05/13/2010 3:24 pm
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I'd be more interested in whether those stars are doubled.
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Scooby, would you, personally, cut it out to look at it closer or leave it alone. I am a bit torn on whether to cut or not.
as for the stars - the one below the crack looks to be incomplete and I see what I think is MD on the bottom of the tail, wings and the lettering is hard to tell. Might not look like it but there are a lot of scratches on the plastic and under the loop it interferes with my assessment - its a me thing I'm sure.
Thanks for popping in
Brent
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Very cool! I think I'm going to check some of my 1964's now!
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It's really tough to deal with cellophane, I know. As far as cracking them out. I can't tell you. I don't collect proofs (yet).
I wouldn't necessarily take it out just for the die crack. If you have other reasons - maybe.
I have a '60 Small date set that Lincoln has a nice lamination on it. If I ever bust out the set, I'll set him aside, but wouldn't bust it up just for that.
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Call error specialist/dealer Fred Weinberg before you make a decision on what to do. He'll give you good advice.
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Brent; the "P.C." on the envelope identifies this set as proof.
I wouldnt break the set until someone with more experience gives you a compelling reason to do so.
Right now, it's a set. Nice find, too !
Edited by j_h_s
05/14/2010 07:15 am
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This is NOT a die crack. It's struck through thread. VERY simple difference - your line is sunken in. A die crack would be raised. Furthermore, the line rides over the letters. A die crack would not ride over the letters like they weren't there....and I personally wouldn't ever bust a set for something like that. They are rather common.
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From  to  with one post. I should have realized that on the tail feathers for sure, the line is sunk in - but it sure looks risen everywhere else. I think being in the pack makes it look raised, I have tried turning the pack on its side and still think it might be raised but the facts are the facts - it cant be a die crack if it is sunken - it must be struck through - so thanks coppercoins for taking me back to 1st grade for a refresher course. School was never this fun. Sad its not a die crack but happy to get the facts - back in the safe it goes. If proofs are handled by hand and inspected before they are put into there packs - how does something so obvious get by the handlers? Peace Brent |
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Wow, I've got to pay attention. Now that Chuck has pointed it out, it's rather obvious. Maybe I'll just go back to just lurking and not posting.
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Proof coins are handled by hand, but they are not inspected except for obvious problems. The dies are much mor eclosely inspected before they are hung on the press, but because this was an obstruction on the die, it would not have been there during inspection.
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Brent
One variety you can keep a lookout for in the 64 proof sets
are the "accented hair" kennedy halfs. I have found a couple
and they bring a decent premium. Unless it may look like a PR69/70
just leave it in the cello wrapper.
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Thanks all - even though I did learn a thing or two on this thread - I wish I would have looked at it closer before posting "Best die break I have found" - lol. I think I said on one of my first posts here, I only know enough to be dangerous, I have proven that now.
I will keep my eyes out for the varieties but for now I have to start putting everything back away to get ready for my 3 month trip to Alaska. Boy I am going to miss lurking around this site.
Thanks again to all -
Peace
Brent
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Don't be too hard on yourself Brent. The majority of us here are "dangerous", myself included. It's just part of the learning process.
I guess I'd rather post, find out I'm wrong, and why, rather than thinking I know the answer.
Had you just chalked that up as your 500th die crack and not posted, none of us would have learned from this thread. Plus, I think it sticks with you better once you've "experienced" it rather than just hearing or reading about it passively.
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Brent: I've added your images to my educational file.  Edited by coop
05/20/2010 6:33 pm
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Very cool coop, glad to be part of your educational files that help others learn. I find your files and overlays quite helpful and educational. Keep up the good work
Peace
Brent
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