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My dealer called me and showed me a 1800 Large Cent, normal date, in STRONG VF. This is a beautiful coin. I can buy it for Graysheet $750.00. I am very tempted but the color is very dark. Dark chocolate brown verging on black. I have seen some very dark large cents that have been graded so I know that these old coppers can be dark but almost black scares me. Any thoughts? The dark images show the coins true color. There is a small amount of surface porosity but I am pretty sure that this is not a ground find. Any thought you have will be greatlly appreciated.     Jim Sorry about the quality of the shots, used my wife's cheapo camera. Forgot mine.  Edited by Jim1953
05/29/2010 8:41 pm
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Rest in Peace
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As long as it's not porous or corroded, I don't see a problem with that. pics would help.
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If I was going to spend that kind of cash I'd ask if I could take photos to get a second opinion.
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Valued Member
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Yes, if at all possible, get pics and show us; that way, we could make a judgement and help you out
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Thx, guys, I will try and get up there Friday and get pics if still there.
Jim
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Pictures are a good idea, and make sure you check it out under magnification for any environmental damage.
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Had it under a 10X glass. Would like to look at it under my scope but that probably won't happen. To far away.
Jim
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Pics aren't too bad Jim. It looks interesting.I would be concerned with the 6 O'clock reverse. Looks like someone attempted to fill the rim. The color isn't off as I have a large cent with the same color.It happens.JMO.
Edited by Halfwitty
05/29/2010 8:55 pm
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I think it has great details, almost XF. I agree with strong VF, prolly VF-35. Though the darkness doesn't bother me, it does look like it has some mild "micro-porosity" if you will around some of the devices. It's probably not evident in hand, and I'm not sure if it's enough for a TPG to consider it corroded, but it would be a concern...(I just noticed you put this in the description, so it's not a surprise). Is there a fingerprint on the obverse? It's a nice coin overall, but I think you can do better with $750 in this market IMHO.. |
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halfwitty,
The mark you see is to be there. this die (?) has an indexing mark and the early die states as was explained to me looks like this. Latter die states it begins to blend into the field on the 5:00 side.
Jim
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johnny,
The lines that show with the flash on are not visible. You can not see them even with a 10X glass. They showed up on the pic and I saw them there for the first time. something in the planchet? It is not a finger print. Seems to be all the way across the coin and only under flash.
Jim
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Hmmm.Interesting.Didn't know that.
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Jim - I am not an expert in large cents by any means. But I am becoming fascinated with them and am learning as I go along. Do you know the Sheldon number of the one you are looking at? I have narrowed it down to S207 vs. S198, leaning heavily towards S207. The description I read said there's a triangle-shaped Cud on the reverse of the S207, similar to the one in your photo. But the photo I saw from my source didn't have the same Cud. It did have a die crack running from the last A in America through the ribbon. I think it's worth investigating the S198 a little bit, as well. The description I read said that a Cud developed later in the run. Only 4-5 of these specimens still exist, making them extremely rare and valuable. I was unable to find a photo of the Cud to rule out the S198. Matt |
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Joe,
I looked at my dealers book and as a group we agreed that it is 207.
Jim
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Nice looking coin and I agree with S-207. Looks to be VF30++
Does not appear to be corroded. Nice Jim.
swcoin.ecrater.com
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I would approach this coin a little differently. First I would ask myself what the likely value is in an ANACS,NGC, or PCGS graded holder. Then I would discount from that number for the fact that it is not, and by rights probably was seen by a TPG, likely got a details grade and hence was cracked out of the holder now to offered raw. Isn't that the way the game is played? Same thing with stamps: you see a classic US stamp (pre 1880) in great shape but it comes without a certificate. First question: why doesn't this stamp have a cert? |
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