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What Happened To This Morgan?

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Impossible to tell from those pics Scooby.Meed to see inside of the ditch.Could be post mint.
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I would say it is likely, it appears there is some design details in the gouge, like maybe struck thru cloth. but the sharp/pointed looking edges of the gouge make me not so sure. So a definite maybe.
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I would say it might really be a mint error, but I would throw out there that not all errors increase the value of a coin. For example, I saw a Flying Eagle cent at a coin show that was slabbed "struck thru grease". I wasn't interested in it, but it had a sticker of $300. The dealer said "how about $150". I'm thinking to myself, "the obverse of the coin looks like an AG-3 and you can't even read the date, I wouldn't even pay graysheet for G-4 on this coin, let alone a $120 premium for having an imperfect coin". mint error: yes. rare: yes. valuable: no.
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Nobody went crazy on the coin. It sold for $60 (inc s&h). Probably a standard purchase. Probably an exciting price for someone who loves error coins.

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not all errors increase the value of a coin


True. I would just think that a struck-thru Morgan would fetch a decent dollar. It looks legit to me, but what do I know.
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Looks like a legitimate error to this guy. I've been told that the mint employees would use wood chips to clean off the dies. Perhaps, this coin was struck through a piece of wood? Material such as wood might be soft enough to have allowed the feather detail within such a deep impression to show. If this error is mint-made, it's one of the largest strike-throughs that I've seen over the years; a major example of a relatively minor error ...
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Very interesting coin. And theories. WOLF
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I will give you something to think about, if it was a "legit" strike thru error, how did the wreath and feathers get on the coin?

In my opinion, this is post mint damage, think about what you are seeing, just my opinion.....
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At the time I posted this, I didn't really understand what a struck-thru was. I'm sorry. That's why I was asking.

Since then, I found a Lincoln that I posted (and also thought was struck-thru something) that turned out to be a lamination error. So, this coin may have post-mint as you suggest, but if it's not, I would now lean more toward lamination error as it looks similar.
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I would call this a planchet flaw prior to striking. Right wing and feathers are complete although lightly struck. Same with legs and wreath. All the relief areas appear to be raised within the incuse flaw.
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PMD.... with no reservations or doubts.
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I'd love to have the coin in hand to look at under my microscope. I'd bet a wooden nickel it's not PMD. I do not believe damage that radical would not leave the wreath or feathers of the eagle that prominent or symmetrical...PMD would have mashed them flat at that degree of damage.
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What possibility other than PMD could there be, j_h_s ?
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That's the $64 question that'll cost me my wooden nickel, zeewool.

Then, another $64 question is, "What would cause that particular PMD, leaving the impression of the wreath, feather lines, and legs visible AND symmetrical?"
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I've been told that the mint employees would use wood chips to clean off the dies.

I can't see wood chips to clean the dies, but sawdust was used to dry the planchets after cleaning.


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I will give you something to think about, if it was a "legit" strike thru error, how did the wreath and feathers get on the coin?

If the material is thin enough, and at least a little flexible, it is possible to have the design transfer through the strike through material and show the design where the intervening object was.
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