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Pillar of the Community
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Is this a new VAM? I have never see this before. Its on a 1887P.  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Is there any way for you to post a larger pic? It looks like post mint damage from where I am sitting....  |
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Moderator
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I'll post all the pics you want. That's me selling it. Hold on a bit while I upload better stuff.
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Here's the story. I've had this coin for quite a while; it's one of my last pre-1921 Morgans. I've held it because I couldn't decide what to do about it. Here's a couple more shots, the bottom one just taken for this post:   Given the unblemished texture of the coin around this feature, I can't believe it's post-mint. Jack Lee suggested a strikethrough; I tend to think that the initial M would be abnormal if that were the case. I will believe any explanation which can be described in other than an "I know, and you don't" tone, which is what I tend to get from the usual VAM suspects at CU. I have some neat stuff, which they don't, and therefore mine's not valid. Note that the usual sloped break to the field is still there; the feature I'm highlighting here is in addition to the regular edge found at the bottom of the neck. Now, I've seen the normal edge running lower, through the middle of the M as it is here, on a couple of coins. That's not extraordinary. The ragged, second edge, though.....I just don't know what to think about it. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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that is interesting, I have never seen anything like that before myself so I have no idea what caused it
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I am leaning toward the strike through theory. Up a little higher on her neck are what appear to be 3 small strike throughs. It would not surprise me for that to be a 4th. Very interesting coin. Thanks for sharing her  |
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Originally posted by Becky
I am leaning toward the strike through theory. Up a little higher on her neck are what appear to be 3 small strike throughs. It would not surprise me for that to be a 4th.
Very interesting coin. Thanks for sharing her
Let me get those upper marks under the QX5. At 60x I should be able to tell between the postmint gouges I thought they were, and strikethroughs. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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SuperDave, I just read your post on CU about your 1921, is it a PL or a Zerbe? I couldn't quite understand what you were trying to say over there and instead of replying there figured I would just ask here (more personal here I beleive)
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Originally posted by Bryan1315
SuperDave, I just read your post on CU about your 1921, is it a PL or a Zerbe? I couldn't quite understand what you were trying to say over there and instead of replying there figured I would just ask here (more personal here I beleive)
The coin in question attributes as a 1921-P VAM-47. Whether that continues to be called "Zerbe" or not, in view of the new information, is debatable. It's the coin I've talked about in Diane's threads. I can clearly read 12pt type in the fields at a distance of 12+" - you decide how PL that is.  Rant related to the original coin: All the bidding it could generate at ebay was $20-ish. What a crock. I had a Reserve on it, thank goodness - at that price, I could have it slabbed and still make money at Heritage with it. I love buying on ebay, but I can't stand selling there. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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why dont you try to sell it on here, I would much rather take a little less on here and sell it to fellow collectors than sell it on ebay for a little more to god knows who. And on here you dont have the fee's and stuff. Edited by Bryan1315
07/17/2006 5:03 pm
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Forum Kid
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But how is it possible, Theyve been here for over 200 Years and they found A new VAM, now? They shouldv'e noticed it before, shouldn't they? TKC! |
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TKC, there are, literally, millions of Morgans still around. Van Allen and Malis built their original effort around a very small percentage of those - admittedly, thousands upon thousands of coins studied, but still only a small percentage. When you look at it that way, it becomes easier to understand why new VAMs are being discovered every day. In fact, the definition of what qualifies as a "new VAM" has been somewhat tightened over the years, because so many were being found. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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SuperDave did you happen to see the 1884CC GSA that susan had on ebay? I have never seen one like it in the book nor on the update page, I was wondering if you have |
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United States
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I have one just like it so I do not believe it is a strikethrough. Excuse the poor photo, someday I will need to learn my new camera enough to show a decent shot. Mine is also clashed and has doubling in the stars, letters, and profile of the obverse to include LIBERTY. It also has some slight die pitting. To see some of this doubling, you might want to shine a flashlight towrds the edges of the details like how I did it on the star below: What VAM is it? I haven't taken time to check but it does appear that the eye looks like that similar to a "Gator Eye". You might want to take a closer look at yours.     Edited by Mad4Morgans
08/10/2006 8:44 pm
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Originally posted by Mad4Morgans
I have one just like it so I do not believe it is a strikethrough. Excuse the poor photo, someday I will need to learn my new camera enough to show a decent shot.
Mine is also clashed and has doubling in the stars, letters, and profile of the obverse to include LIBERTY. It also has some slight die pitting.
To see some of this doubling, you might want to shine a flashlight towrds the edges of the details like how I did it on the star below:
What VAM is it? I haven't taken time to check but it does appear that the eye looks like that similar to a "Gator Eye".
You might want to take a closer look at yours.
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Well, some of these details are now going to be a little tough to ascertain. Check out the coin after sitting out for a month on my desk. Before:  After [:0] :  My poor photography skills do the color no justice. It sat, exposed, obverse up, on my desk since my last post in this thread, a little less than a month. Mine is a nonsmoking house, and I have one of those mystery-board computer desk kits from Staples - it isn't even real wood. Crazy, ain't it? I'm tempted to let it go a little longer while more color develops, and submit it for slabbing. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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that is super wild! I have never seen something tone so much in so little time just by sitting on a desk. I have coins all over my desk and some have been on here close to a year and have absolutely no toning what so ever
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Posted 07/15/2006 8:56 pm
