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Diagnostics Of Genuine 1877 IHC

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My personal favorite key-date, the 1877 IHC.
A great little article from PCGS on diagnostics of a genuine coin, as well as an altered example
http://www.pcgs.com/articles/articl...d=313&type=1
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Great article. Thanks.
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Just FYI:

My 1877 (very nicely showing the weak N's):
(Edited to add Obverse)


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Nice moe. Do you have an obverse pic?
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I had posted these previously on a probable fake. I think it's struck and not altered.
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i never knew that about the N on the reverse. I will have to make a mental note to self
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That's why I wanted to link all to this info ;-)
Numismo, IMO, I still believe its an altered date.
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Here's the reverse of my 1877 Indian, graded VF-35 by PCGS. Note that the weak N can be slightly more subtle in higher grades.

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Even if the weakness of the N is subtle it can still be easily recognized by the serifs on the N. The type 1 N has very wide thin serifs and the type 2 N has much narrower slightly thicker serifs. Look at the serifs at the top of the right upright and they are very different between the two types. See the genuine posted by Moe and the fake posted by Numismo to see the difference.
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Great point conder101.
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Hey Robuddo!

Can we see the obverse of your gorgeous 1877 IHC? (It's VERY pretty!)

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moe145 - ask and ye shall receive.

It's probably not the obverse you had in mind, but here she is.

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Judging only on the reverse, there is no way I would have giving that coin a 35. It looks like a solid XF, perhaps AU :-O
Yeah, let's see the obverse!
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Wow! Mint error too. Looks struck thru grease. I still believe its higher than 35.
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vermontensium; the reverse is pristine and that's one reason I was attracted to it. It's also rare for PCGS/NGC to give a coin that has been heavily struck through grease/water a grade, period. They probably went on the conservative side as you suggested, but I'm just glad they gave it a grade. The key features on the obverse would grade VG on details, and I got it for a VG graysheet price, so there was no way I could turn it down.
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