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Those are two different slabs, notice the difference in the holograms. The "Series 14PR Coin 30" is the designated entry of that coin in a registry set. Unless you are starting a PCGS Proof Lincoln registry set, it is meaningless.
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I already have a "Registry Set" started at PCGS. It's the standard "Lincoln Memorial Proof Registry Set". It starts with the 1959 proof and runs through to 2008. In fact I only need 5 more coins to complete it and this 1964 is one of them. There is something else that this stands for. Now you have me wondering why the logos are different. Still confused. I think, but am not sure that I have seen that line on another year also.
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Series 14 refers to Lincoln cents, series 14PR are Lincoln proofs. The 1964 proof is the 30th coin in the series. PCGS has not always put this on their slabs. ( edit ) If you look at the following link, you can choose different series to see what number is assigned to each. http://www.pcgscoinguide.com/guide.chtmlI asked this question last year, and finally found it. I was searching in vain in the archived threads. https://goccf.com/t/43528Edited by steve199
07/14/2010 5:11 pm
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That post does not make any sense at all especially what Condor said.
Quote "(Coin and Series numbers first appeared in Dec 1998). The one on the right is probably a PCGS 21 that they started using in 2006. when they dropped the Coin and Series numbers because no one outside of PCGS was bothering to use them. (They still use them internally) There were two other generations of slabs for circulation coins between PCGS 13 and 21 (PCGS 16 and 19) but they involved changes in the hologram on the back of the slab. (The other numbers between 13 and 21 are for slab varieties used for Eagles and multi-coin holders.)"
This is incredibly misleading. "(Coin and Series numbers first appeared in Dec 1998). I'm looking at a 1964 coin with it on. He says it didn't start till 1998. He says numbers between 13 and 21 are used for Eagles and multi-coin holders. This is a Lincoln 1cent and the numbers are 14. Isn't that between 13 and 21. I'm thankful for all help but I'm really confused now.
Keep coming guys. Still need help.
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He is saying that PCGS started using them on holders in 1998. When he says "between PCGS 13 and 21" he is talking about versions of PCGS slabs, not the series numbers. For a history of PCGS slabs, see: http://www.sampleslabs.com/pcgs.html |
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That tells me something about the logos but still does not tell me why one 1964 has "Series 14PR Coin 30" and the other doesn't. What I did find out was the one without that line is a very old certification number and the one with the extra line is a newer certification number. But to prove anything I have to find another with that extra line and see what the numbers are. I thought this was going to be an easy question.
Still welcome more input. Remember, I'm not the only one learning from these posts.Thanks again.
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For years, PCGS didn't put them on there. Then for a while they did put them on there. Then they stopped putting them on there. :)
Are you asking what the numbers mean? You can see the "series" number assigned to every type of coin on the first link I posted. It isn't in list form; you have to select a type of coin and it shows at the top of each page.
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Lets see if I can clear up some of the confusion. PCGS began slabbing in Feb of 1986. They did not start putting the Coin and Series numbers on their slabs until their 8th generation (style) holder which they began using in December of 1998. They continued putting the coin and series numbers on their holders until the 21st style holder which was introduced in 2006. The date of the coin does not make any difference. What matters is when the coin was slabbed. In the two links you posted, the coin with the Coin and series numbers is in the 13th style PCGS holder which means the coin was slabbed between Feb 2002 and November of 2004. The coin without the coin and series numbers is in the 21st style holder which began in late 2005 early 2006 which means it was slabbed some time after that. This link shows many of the styles of PCGS holders. Some of the links are broken. I've always meant to do an updated posting of this, (and I thought I did on the NGC forum but I can't find the link. I know I did one on the NGC slabs. Somewhere I also did one on the ANACS certificates and holders.) (046) This link is not allowed by the Staff &threadid=222533The reason there are so many numbers in the short span between 2002 and 2006 was because PCGS was using more than one style holder at the same time depending on the type of coin being holdered. (Regular coins, bullion, modern commems, and muti-coin. Then in 2004 they lost the PNG endorsement and had to change their holograms.) Any questions? Edited by Conder101
07/15/2010 2:21 pm
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Thank you, you made it much more clear in your explanation. I knew these coins by the numbers had been graded many years apart and was suspecting that the changes in styles (Slabs, etc) over the years may be the reason. Now I need any slab close enough to that number with the extra line to see it for myself. I saw 2 more yesterday but they also were 1964 Lincoln proofs. Need to find a different denomination or year with it. Got a very hard head.
Thanks again
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Edited by steve199
07/15/2010 3:57 pm
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Now I really think I understand. Looks like each denomination had its own series at that time, i.e., Lincolns, Series14, Halves were Series45, etc. Seeing your four the other number was the order of the the coins submitted. Thanks to all you guys. Hope everyone learned something from this thread.
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Made a mistake on previous reply. The other number was the number for the coin year including a number for each mintmark of that series. Am I right?
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Just about right. The Series number doesn't change with the denomination it changes with the type. Such as the Walking Liberty half is Series 45, the Franklin half is Series 46, The Kennedy half is Series 47 etc. Series 1 is the 1793 Liberty cap left Half Cent, Series 2 is the Liberty cap right Half Cent etc. Within each series the coin numbers start with 1 and as you guessed the number starts with the first Philadelphia issue and then increase for each issue in series. For example with the Roosevelt dimes the 1946 P would be Coin 1, 1946 D is coin 2, 1946 S is coin 3, 1947 P is coin 4 etc. And the 1921 half that Steve199 shows is a PCGS 8 slab, the first version to carry the Series and Coin numbers. It was slabbed between Oct 1998 and Feb 2002. It looks a little odd because the barcode is not on the front label for this variety, it is on the back label. This is only seen on PCGS generations 6, 7, and 8. (Seven and eight are common, PCGS 6 is very rare. It was only produced for about a week. It has the barcode on the back, but no Series or Coin numbers.) Edited by Conder101
07/16/2010 10:34 am
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PCGS may still use the numbering system internally, and probably used it way before ever printing it on a label. Franklin halves get the one after Walkers: 46. Yes, you got it now. Every year/mint mark combination is it's own coin number. You can open up a blue book or Red Book, and pretty much count down within a series to get the coin number...ignoring the 1960 small date variety, the 1964 was the 30th Lincoln proof. ( edit ) oops, Conder be me to it. Edited by steve199
07/16/2010 10:49 am
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