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Mega Greaser Or Something Else?

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 Posted 08/21/2010  7:24 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add StJoeBlues to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Tell me what you think caused this one. Because the rims are intact, it seems that it must have been done during the minting process. Was this created by a huge gob of grease? Or was something else covering the die? Your thoughts are appreciated.

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 Posted 08/21/2010  7:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CEOcoinshop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
At first looks like grease.... but I think it's from heat.
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 Posted 08/21/2010  7:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add razorear to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with CEO, something just doesn't look right for it to be a grease job.
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 Posted 08/21/2010  7:59 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You can see where the metal has bubbled. Looks to have had a torch put to it. Definitely post mint.
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 Posted 08/22/2010  01:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think a Zincoln would hold up under a torch. The copper plating would just burn. I'm think a Struck Through Grease.
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 Posted 08/22/2010  01:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add daviscfad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i dont know but its cool!
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If this was done with heat/a blowtorch, wouldn't the rim also be damaged? It's intact. That's what made me think this was done during the minting process.

What made me question whether this was created with a grease-filled die was the irregular, rough surface of the damaged area. Normally, doesn't a Greaser leave a pretty smooth surface? The surface here is irregular and pitted (those aren't bubbles but holes). That's when I began to wonder if the damage was caused by something else.
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 Posted 08/23/2010  10:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dcreek1968 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I dont' think you would get the discoloration in the planchet if it were a grease job. That what puts me in the category of the PMD'ers and their blowtorch job.
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 Posted 08/24/2010  10:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Grease. Yes, with a torch or heat you can get the inner zinc core to melt (about 800 degrees) but that would not cause the lettering to flatten out. The copper shell would retain their shape. So how do you smooth out the surface again? The striking of the coin has stretched the copper into its new shape which increases its surface area. You can't just compress it back down into a smaller area. And if you heat the coin too much or keep the core liquid too long it will dissolve the copper shell. A Grease Fill of the die will give the result of the missing details seen on this coin. The coloring could easily have come later.
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 Posted 08/24/2010  10:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add remmy1100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
LOL... resembles an S mint War Nickel.
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If the copper is intact, it is probably a Struck Through (Grease) Filled Die. I would agree that heat couldn't arbitrarily flatten out design elements. Besides, I have seen a heated Lincoln Cent and the zinc gets wavy and the copper will split in sections.
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