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 Posted 08/05/2006  09:19 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add nymike23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi ALL
Since I'm new to the Coin World I was wondering in your opinions what do you think is a undervalued area of coin collecting and why? What I mean by undervalued is, affordable on a "working mans salary".
Im sure there are areas of gold/silver coins that should be worth more but still are a "great value" even though they are in the thousands.
I figured this would be a great place to pick the brains of experience. Look forward to your replys.
Mike
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 Posted 08/05/2006  09:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Eastern European coinages used to be undervalued but now they have risen to some insane prices these few years.
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 Posted 08/05/2006  09:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add crystalk64 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All coins have value and in my humble opinion many are undervalued while many are overvalued! The trick is to know what is coming in the years ahead. Actually the best thing I would recommend to a new comer is to collect what you like and to always buy the best coin within your budget. Precious metals will always carry a value and you can't go wrong buying key dates from any series. Find something you are interested in and just go with it and worry about value down the road. You, over a period of time, will pick up much need numismatic knowledge and will find the right path to follow that will suit your needs. Good luck!
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 Posted 08/05/2006  11:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add laxmaster92 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You can always invest in silver. ITs bound to go up. Also gold is good because of all the activity it has seen in the past year.
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 Posted 08/05/2006  12:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Snooba to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by laxmaster92

You can always invest in silver. It's bound to go up. Also gold is good because of all the activity it has seen in the past year.

There are lots of very attractive bullion coins available.
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 Posted 08/05/2006  12:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Fred to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First, Mike, welcome to the forum! We have a lot of fun here, learn a lot of things about numismatics, and there's a LOT of expertise here to help and guide you in your new endeavor.

You're asking a toughie question since eventually just about all coins are undervalued in that historically, the value of all coins will go up. Some go up faster than others depending upon their mintage numbers and condition; as a very general rule, the fewer coins minted and the higher the condition (grade), the more demand and the higher and faster will a coin's value increase.

Given that none of us are rich enough to collect everything, all of us have narrowed down our collections to specific series which interest us for personal reasons, e.g., we are attracted to certain coins because of their attractive appearance or they are "different" or they represent a particular period in history in which we are interested or they might prove to be a good long-term investment or a combination of all these factors. My particular bent is 19th century coins and I "specialize" in Morgan silver dollars (I'm a Civil War/Indian War military history nut, so this series fits in nicely with my history interests), but also have a side collection of Flying Eagle cents and am looking at 3-cent pieces. A growing field is Bust Half Dollars. There's a lot of 19th century series, so the field is quite expansive and it's easy to get carried away. I think a "sleeper" field is 1800s dimes in which some nice specimens may be found for relatively low cost (with a LOT of exceptions), but this is just my opinion. Others prefer "modern" (mid-20th century and later) coins because of their ease of collection in terms of availability and relatively low cost (again, with exceptions).

What it comes down to is your personal interests, the amount of time you want to spend searching for a specific coin or coin series, and of course, the amount of money you want to put into the hobby (or avocation or investment). Coin collecting is a lot of fun and has advantages over many other hobbies in terms of small storage space needed, potential for investment gains, and a huge source pool from which to choose. Most of us also have other hobbies or leisure time activities which may be completely unrelated to coins, so we have a wide diversity of viewpoints and can (and do) articulate from these external perspectives.

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 Posted 08/05/2006  1:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Mike

Welcome to the forum !!

To answer your question, Roosevelt dimes are very affordable and IMHO undervalued at the moment,, and very affordable even in high grades I placed these first on the list due to the silver content of the pre 64 Dimes.

second would be the Jefferson nickel series, a very nice collection can be put together very reasonably.


You may also want to look at some of the foreign coins, Aussie silver is still pretty reasonable and the coins are very attractive!!

Rick
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 Posted 08/05/2006  1:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fengk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Jeffersons are probably a bit undervalued, since the key date 1950-d can be had in MS-65 for around $15. Roosevelt dimes are also another sleeper series, since they can be had in very high condition for a relatively low cost. I think that 3 cent pieces would be a great investment, seeing as many pieces with mintages under 1,000 won't cost you nearly as much as a semi-key morgan.

But then again, this is just my opinion. It's really hard to predict what will actually happen in the coin market, since it's volatile like the stock market.
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 Posted 08/05/2006  3:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you're looking for coins that seem to be "out-of-favor" or not real heavily collected, therefore their values seem relatively low you have to look no further to 2-cent and 3-cent pieces. They can be found for fairly low prices $10 on up and the search can be quite fun. Three Cent Silvers will be a bit more expensive. Personally, my love is the 3-cent nickel (3CN) series. There are several coins I would consider under-appreciated (and in theory, undervalued) in that series.

Another cool series that very few collectors care about is the Shield nickel series. There are some tough dates in there, but prices seem rather reasonable for coins that are fairly scarce.

Let us know what you decide to undertake collecting!
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 Posted 08/05/2006  7:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Irishraider to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Roosevelt dimes and Franklin halves, better get them while you can. I think these two coin denominations are sleepers. This is only my opinion and observations.
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 Posted 08/05/2006  8:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cladking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Don't buy coins because they are undervalued.

Oh sure, it's probably a good idea to try to get interested in some coin because it is probably undervalued but collect it because you are interested not because it's cheap. And, yes, as you gain experience you can buy a coin sometimes because it is underpriced and you can sell it for more. If you just try to make money in the hobby you will probably fail and you'll be missing out on most of the opportunity for fun. It can also be said that no coin can be undervalued because value is set by supply and demand.

All this being said the coins with the highest percentage gains are all coins made since WWII. There are many coins which have increased many thousands of percent and often look as though there is still plenty of "play" left in them. There are also coins which have not moved yet in the catalogs but are not currently available and haven't been available since their time of issue. Most of these coins are copper, nickel, aluminum, and other base metal coins which were shunned by collectors of the day. Now with all the changes going on in the world a tiny handful of collectors is pushing up the price of these apparently very rare coins.

Time don't fly, it bounds and leaps.
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 Posted 08/05/2006  8:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add crystalk64 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I will agree with Irishraider on the Franklin halves, especially the uncs and proofs. Best grab them while you can as I see an explosion in value in the near future. I also have had a national dealer tell me many dealers are currently buying them up in anticipation of that upward trend.
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 Posted 08/05/2006  9:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The coin that will truly go up in price is the NEXT rarity to appear. Watch Coin World for any coin error that is just discovered and don't hestiate jump in FAST and buy as many as possible. Then watch the numbers and sell when you have a comfortable profit and do it again. At least once or twice a year it happens. There is a very rapid initial peak on most rarities like the Wisconsin quarters with the extra corn leaves. If you bought them in the first couple weeks after discovery you could have quite a profit by now.

But don't hold too long. There will be a drop in most cases followed by a slow recovery until actual market levels are hit. Case in point the 1972 Double Die cent - hit the street at $15 got to $100 within a month and then took several years to get back to the $100.


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 Posted 08/05/2006  9:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bonedigger to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Common date Peace dollars in the low (MS-60 thru 64) grades.

Good Luck
Ben
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08/05/2006 9:15 pm
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 Posted 08/05/2006  10:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Fred to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by cladking

All this being said the coins with the highest percentage gains are all coins made since WWII. There are many coins which have increased many thousands of percent and often look as though there is still plenty of "play" left in them. There are also coins which have not moved yet in the catalogs but are not currently available and haven't been available since their time of issue. Most of these coins are copper, nickel, aluminum, and other base metal coins which were shunned by collectors of the day. Now with all the changes going on in the world a tiny handful of collectors is pushing up the price of these apparently very rare coins.



Cladking, this is an interesting statement. Error coins aside (e.g., 1955 and 1972 double-die Lincoln cents, Wisconsin extra-leaf quarters), did you have any particular post-WW2 series in mind which as a rule have increased in value so much? While there are probably isolated examples in post WW2 US regular coinage (e.g., 1955 Franklin half) and almost certainly solid examples in non-US coinage (I'm guessing some pre-Soviet break-up and decolonialized countries' coins, but I'm not particularly knowledgeable in non-US coins) and perhaps some commemorative or certain collector-specific mintages and extremely high grades of regular issues since WW2 which have high gains, I'm having trouble reconciling high value gains with regular cent, nickel, dime, quarter, and half-dollar issues since 1945 (exception: I am a 1945 issue which, I feel, has gone up in value several million times).

For comparison, my little Carson City Morgan collection has more than doubled in value over the past five years alone (grades G-04 to MS-66), I'm watching my puny Flying Eagle cent collection increase in value as we speak, and Bust Half Dollars are going through the roof. Even the most common coins of the 19th century, Indian Head cents are, for the most part, selling for more than the cost of postage with many IHCs in G-04 grades marketing for 2K, 4K, and 6K times their face value while slabbed low Mint State grade IHCs seem attached to helium balloons. Pre-WW2 regular issues are not doing as well, with many exceptions, but seem way ahead of post-WW2 mintages such as Jefferson nickels and Roosevelt dimes which were issued in such quantities (not unlike many ancient coins) as to make them worth little more than face value (again, extremely high grades such as MS-70 and error coins excepted). The coin catalogs I have don't even bother listing most post-WW2 1c, 5c, 10c, and 25c below VF or EF and post 1964's aren't generally listed below MS-65.

Or did I completely misunderstand and your reference was to extremely high grade Mint States? In this instance, such coins are mostly out of the reach of beginning collectors (and many others) and aren't typical of regular circulation series.

All that said, collecting Lincoln cents, Jefferson nickels, Roosevelt dimes, and Washington quarters is a lot of fun and easy to do. I still have a number of Whitman albums from the 1950s with lots of slots filled, complete with my juvenile fingerprints on the coins. None have any value above face value, but I sure loved looking for coins to fill the missing spaces. And still do.

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 Posted 08/06/2006  01:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cladking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


I believe the move in price of the post-WWII coins is really in its infancy. The time that people quit saving new coin varied all over the world and always started when the silver was removed from circulation and mintages soared. The earliest were '46 or '47 and the latest were in 1968. Some of the earlier ones have already had substantial moves. New Zealand coin became cu/ ni in 1947 and now despite the debasement, huge mintages, and the fact that there is very little demand for moderns these coins often sell for more than the older silver coins. You can find dozens of the old silver coins for each of the debased coins and there is little demand for cu/ ni and still they sell for only a little more. As time goes on this will be seen increasingly. Greek 1957 2D listed for less than $10 in unc in the '86 Krause but these small cu/ ni coins now sell for nearly $1000 in nice condition and even XF's list for $200. Every year it seems more and more of these are being exposed as very rare. Prices are being pushed up by a very small number of collectors.

The same thing is occuring in US coins though we aren't leading the world in this particular case. While very high grade US moderns are bringing prices many find insane there is a growing and firming market for lower grade coins. Few guides still list MS-65 clad for prices based on roll prices. This was meaningless anyway since most moderns are virtually unavailable in rolls and if you could find them there would be no MS-65's anyway. Now even Coin Values is listing realistic prices for such coins for the first time. While there's still work to do on the guides this realism will be a major boost to these markets because for the first time buyers and sellers will be on the same page. There is no reason to discount the special issues, varieties and errors in modern coins. While relatively few old time collectors have much interest in these it is very common for even beginning modern collectors to seek some varieties. If you're actually collecting modern US and world coins rather than hording large numbers of what's available then you're probably doing extremely well.

The number of overlooked issues is still nearly endless. A young person starting on some comprehensive collection like aluminum or the coins of Africa would find an enormous challenge simply because these coins have mostly been completely ignored. Every year there's a little more demand and there never was much of a supply. The coins went into circulation and then were often melted to make refrigerators or medical instruments.
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