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 Posted 08/28/2010  5:16 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Fishstix to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I pulled this 1972 D half from a bank roll. Is this the "no FG" coin or die polishing?

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 Posted 08/28/2010  5:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It has to be die polishing. The FG is part of the design. It wasn't omitted.. Just polished away.
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 Posted 08/28/2010  5:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fishstix to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ken Potter's "Strike it Rich" claims it as an error, but doesn't label it as "die polishing". They claim it as "absence of the FG under right arm." It's a confusing topic with there being Grease Filled Dies also. I have a 1988 penny with no FG also. A lot to take in for a new collector as myself.
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 Posted 08/28/2010  7:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Indian1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Strange how some coins are worth a premium and others are not
when they all have basically the same phenom.
I.E.: die wear. The 22 plain Lincoln Cent, 82/83 roos. dime no m.m.,
No FG coins etc. Unless I am mistaken none of these are die varieties
or actual errors. Please correct or enlighten me.
Well, I guess it just is the way it is !
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 Posted 08/28/2010  10:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scooby Due to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Strange how some coins are worth a premium and others are not

I never understood the '22 No D and die polish, either.

But, of course, demand drives price, so.....

But, I thought on the '82 Roosie, they completely forgot the mintmark which would be a variety, right?
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I'm not sure about the 83. Everywhere I look they just keep calling it an error. Years ago it was a big deal. Now it's not much of anything. Gotta be some facts out there somewhere. I guess if a M.M.
is omitted it is not a die variety. So thus I guess it is not a polish job or Die Deterioration. ?
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 Posted 08/29/2010  01:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
At least one dealer thinks the no FG halves have value.
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First off. fellow Michigander. On the coin you posted I see a faint G still there so I think it would not qualify as a missing FG.
I don't really collect these but I have seen a few while roll searching many years ago. I think I have one or two somewhere in my collection but don't place much of a value on them.
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FishStix
First of all Welcome to the CC Forum Fellow Michigander.
That is an interesting specimen I have not had the opportunity
to find one of those yet so I have not done any research on them.
But a buddy of mine that owns C.C. Coins in Kazoo
is always looking for them. I am not sure if it is because they
have a large amount of value or it is some kind of
Obsessive Compulsive Disorder on his part. Like my OCD with
Eisenhower dollars and 1883 No cents Nickels
I copied your photo of the no FG area and cranked up the
resolution in the one I enlarged and the contrast and color
in the small one. The field looks very smooth
I am not sure of the reasons we have the no FG's whether it is
die grinding or Grease Filled Die.
But it is a valid variety listed in the Cherry Pickers Guide
Number "FS-50-1972D-901" in the comment section of the book for this coin it says "This variety is not as well known as others"
Values Listed MS-63 $50.00, MS-65 $75.00, MS-66 $150.00
MS-67 $250.00 These prices are just very General Guides what you would actually get at auction may be a totally different matter.
But since it is in the Cherry Pickers Guide PCGS will grade and Attribute the coin with the No FG designation which will definitely help raise the price you get if you decide to sell it.
and from what I can see from your pictures
without seeing the coin in hand. I would say that you have found a good one. Congratulations

Edited to add: If the coin is sold Raw, Not graded and attributed
I am sure that the as usual the price that can be gotten will
be considerably less than any price guide.

Terry

Touched up copies of your picture below

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The 82 and 83 no MM dimes were the result of the mintmark never being punched into the die. They are varieties.

The 22 "plain" cent, the 37-D three leg, and the missing FG halves are the result of die polishing. They are just late die states.
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Conder101,
Thank You for that information. I never did know exactly how the No FG's
came about.

Fishstix, here is a copy of the Cherry Pickers shot.
Since you have the coin there in hand. It may be easier for you to make the determination. Photo's of a coin from 3 different angles
can bring out 3 different characteristics of the coin.

Click on the picture to get a larger version

Terry

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More miss information to the un-weary new collectors......
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"More miss information to the un-weary new collectors......"

?
Coop did I get something wrong?
If I did please let me know.
This is not a series that I have done much study on
and would not want to steer someone the wrong way.

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....... CPG..... Had to erase. It would have gotten me into trouble.
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Coop,
Now I know what you mean and you are right.
The prices are not in line with what is really happening price wise
That is why I added the information about getting such varieties
graded and attributed. I like the Cherry Pickers for reference
to what PCGS will attribute if it is in there they will attribute it.
Then you look at something like the 1971-S S/S RPM Eisenhower makes it in the book
(Minor RPM at best) Yet a coin like the
1971-D Eisenhower Friendly Eagle (RDV-006) a coin with no less than
11 naked eye die marker, Which is a completely different reverse design
than the regular 1971-D is not added to the book and to this day is
not recognized by what is supposed to be the top coin grading service
and authority on U.S. coins in the country.
Sorry to rant, Just a sore spot
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Coop,Am I going to get into Trouble?
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