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 Posted 09/26/2010  8:54 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Wornslick to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Why doesn't PCGS mark the VAM number on every label it puts on Morgan dollars? I was told all Morgans are a VAM of some kind.
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 Posted 09/26/2010  9:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
PCGS doesn't attribute every VAM like ANACS does, they just attribute the most popular ones. Also they will not put the VAM number on the label unless you request it and pay for it
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 Posted 09/26/2010  9:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wornslick to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Bryan1315, I recently bought a 1878 8TF Morgan and there was no VAM listed on the old green label so I was curious why there wasn't.
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 Posted 09/26/2010  11:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think PCGS only attributes like the TOP 100, HOT 50 and the ones on lists like that and as I said you have to pay for the attribution when you send them in. If you do not pay for the variety plus (I think its called) it will not be labeled as any specific VAM even if it is one they attribute. I actually think all the TOP TPG's are the same where you have to pay for attribution
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 Posted 09/27/2010  08:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SeatedNut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They now do the Hitlist 40, too.

And yes, you must pay for the attribution ... $24 per coin.
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 Posted 09/27/2010  9:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aladinslamp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The issue is the money.....If you don't pay for it......It won't be listed, even if they know what it is...more fee's
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 Posted 09/27/2010  10:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ozland to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you send it to PCGS for attribution, you will pay shipping both ways, insurance, attribution fee and reholder fee. That will total around fifty dollars.
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Just a note, I know a coin dealer who sent a old bust half into PCGS, they did nothing but say the coin was real, never to look at the reverse and notice the 180 degree rotation.Why was it not placed on the label, He did not request them to look at that !

I know, like stated above, if you do not request the EXACT service you want, do not expect anything but what you wrote on the submission form, and paid for......
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 Posted 09/28/2010  6:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ozland to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The dealer did not request the forty dollar error service. There needs to be a minimum of 35 degrees rotation error to be considered an error, but you the submitter must request and pay for service. it sounds as if the coin was submitted for grade, which it did not meet,which is why genuine was placed on the label.
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 Posted 09/28/2010  6:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Namachieli to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
this is one reason I dont like TPGs. money pits IMO
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I believe He was thrilled to see the coin was indeed authentic, I was just making a point about if you do not ask, and pay for a distinct service, you will not get it, or anything else, except what you pay for. I totally agree, a money pit, that has been promoted by the TPG'S and it is only getting worse.....IMO......
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I don't agree that using PCGS is a money pit. I find PCGS to be consistent in their grading of Morgan dollars. PCGS graded coins command more money in the market place. Furthermore, PCGS is considered the top tier grading company. But like anything in life, you pay for what you get.
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So if I want to firgure out on my own what VAM my 1878 8TF is do I jsut start at the top of the VAM list and keep going down the list till I find a match?
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 Posted 09/28/2010  9:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ozland to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
PCGS attributes all 1878-P 8 Tail feather varities. Unless you want to join PCGS collectors club and ship the coin yourself, go to a PCGS coin dealer. Say you want your coin shipped off to be VAM attributed. Cost: Shipping both ways, Insurance, VAM attribution fee: twenty-four dollars, ten dollar re holder fee. Cost: Around fifty dollars. For twenty dollars more, you can have your coin digitally imaged (Tru-View) for an additional twenty dollars. Where ever that coin coins there will always be a digital picture available of it.
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Thanks Ozland
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Your question: So if I want to figure out on my own what VAM my 1878 8TF is do I just start at the top of the VAM list and keep going down the list till I find a match?

Answer: There are forty-one choices to choose from. Post a picture of the reverse and we likely can narrow it down or tell you out right what VAM it is. By the way, what is the grade of your coin?
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