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PCGS doesn't note every 1878 8TF variety on their labels. When trying to determine the VAM it is just a elimination process where you look at your coin and take note of anything that you think may be mentioned in the attributes of any specific VAM (like doubling of a specific area, or a unique die crack somewhere) and then go to the known 8TF page and see if you can find the ones that share these attributes. there may be 4 or 5 that used the same Obverse or Reverse die and from there you eliminate the die pairs that do not match your coin until you have it narrowed down to the specific VAM your coin is. I hope this helps in your process of figuring which VAM your coin is. if you can't figure it out as Ozland said if you will post clear pictures of the coin and maybe some closeups of any anomaly you see we may be able to help you figure out what it is |
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PCGS list of 1878-P 8 tail feather varieties. 40117 1878 8TF VAM 1 Spear point 133785 1878 8TF VAM 2 Lines in LIB 1878 8TF VAM 3 Spiked Eye 133787 1878 8TF VAM 4 Denticle Chip 133788 1878 8TF VAM 5 Doubled RIB 133789 1878 8TF VAM 6 Pierced Eyelid 133790 1878 8TF VAM 7 Tripled E 133791 1878 8TF VAM 8 Stick Feather 133792 1878 8TF VAM 9 1st Die Pair 133793 1878 8TF VAM 10 Notched 7 133794 1878 8TF VAM 12 Notched Star 133795 1878 8TF VAM 14 Chip in Ear 133796 1878 8TF VAM 14.1 Alligator Eye 1878 8TF VAM 14.2 Polished Ear 133798 1878 8TF VAM 14.3 Doubled Bow 133799 1878 8TF VAM 14.4 Concave Reverse 133800 1878 8TF VAM 14.5 Open Nostril 1878 8TF VAM 14.6 Dot on Ear 1878 8TF VAM 14.7 Flakey Ear 1878 8TF VAM 14.8 Spiked Eye 1878 8TF VAM 14.9 Tripled Eyelid 133805 1878 8TF VAM 14.10 Cracked Bonnet 1878 8TF VAM 14.11 Wild Eye 1878 8TF VAM 14.12 Eye Dots 133808 1878 8TF VAM 14.13 Doubled Eyelid 133809 1878 8TF VAM 14.14 Eye Chip 133810 1878 8TF VAM 14.15 Lines in Hair 1878 8TF VAM 14.16 Wild Lips 133812 1878 8TF VAM 14.17 Chip in Ear 133813 1878 8TF VAM 14.18 Broken 7 133814 1878 8TF VAM 14.19 Broken 8 133815 1878 8TF VAM 14.20 Boll Lines 1878 8TF VAM 15 Doubled Liberty 133817 1878 8TF VAM 16 Tripled Stars 133818 1878 8TF VAM 17 Diagonal in 8 133819 1878 8TF VAM 18 Doubled Date 133820 1878 8TF VAM 19 Doubled Date 133821 1878 8TF VAM 20 Doubled Date 1878 8TF VAM 21 Broken R&B 133823 1878 8TF VAM 22 Polished LIB 40203 1878 8TF VAM 23 Crazy Lips |
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Thanks for all the help. Here are some better pics of my 1878 8TF....   |
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I have been sitting here tonight looking at this Morgan with a 10X loupe and have seen a few things that I think are interesting. First off, she looks like her upper lip is split. Looking through the loop I can see a pointed piece of metal coming out of the ribbon underneath her bonnet. This is directly across from the first star under the letter "M" in UNUM. On the reverse, the top half of the opening in the letter "N" in UNITED is filled? Above the right feather and below the left feather the metal seams streaky, but the feathers are clear and no streaks in the word OF. Numerous die cracks on both sides. Thought I would post this and maybe someone could take a look and tell me what these are.  |
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well to bad the picture is missing the letters of ONE and DOL of DOLLAR. We would need to see the whole coin to be able to narrow it down. Even though I do not think its a 14.2 we would need to see these letters to make sure
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Hope this helps....  |
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Numerous die cracks on both sides. Forget the reverse. Look at the stars on the obverse to the left of the date......how many stars are connected by the die crack? Example: from the neck tip to the middle of the first star, to the bottom of star #2, to bottom of star #3, to bottom of star #4.....from top of star #4 to top of star #5, from top of star #5 to bottom of star #6, to bottom of star #7. Or From the tip of the neck to the bottom of the first star, to the bottom of star #2, to the bottom of star #3. |
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The crack goes from the bottom of the neck to first star. Skips between the first and second star and then goes from the top of the second star to the seventh star then on to "E" then the dot onto the "P" with a faint crack all the way to the "R".
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That's an A1K reverse (Vams 14.1, 14.1a and 14.10). Judging by the neck clash I believe you have yourself a 14.1a. |
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Oz helped me out when I first started an he may be right! BUT....
I do not have this as a 14.1 or 14.1a at all I could be wrong but I have blown up the photos 400 times it almost looks like an early V-15 it also looks like a MS65 or 66. Very nice coin!
If you could post the coin in quarters in the largest size you can I would love to look this one over.
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Wornslick, I don't know much about other years, but the 8TF are quite easy to nail down if the reverse can be correctly identified. All necessary pups will then be located on the obverse except in the case of the A1d reverse. The reverse of your coin is definitely an A1L reverse. That is why I said "Forget the reverse." The poor photos (glare from lighting or angle of lighting) do not show any of the features that you describe. Now, despite what others may think, die cracks actually are die specific, and therefor diagnostic. That is why I asked about them. Although I consider the tops of the stars to be closest to the center of the coin, you obviously consider them to be nearest to the rim. What you describe in star points, looks (exactly) like this does it not?  If so, then your coin is 'in fact' VAM 14.2. Edited by zeewool
10/01/2010 01:43 am
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I am late in this thread..... been away for a while...but this coin does not add up....somethings not correct......with the reverse I was inclined to think A1L... but with the clash in the neck so high at the jaw/neck line..made me wonder for another reverse type.... I WAS thinking A1F.... but within the VAM 1 to 17 the neck clash is so high and reverse do not correspond... I will venture later....... |
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Thanks Gene I was thinking A1L early with out the gouge
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