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 Posted 10/01/2010  08:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wornslick to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
zeewool,

Thats correct except the crack continues on through the "E", the dot and onto the "P".

twohawks,

I will try and take the pics you want but I am not very good at it.

Thanks to all for there help so far.
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 Posted 10/01/2010  08:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SeatedNut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm at work now and the pictures look like this
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I'll have to give it another look tonight when I get home. In the meantime Wornslick, look at the ear fill. The 14.2 has almost no ear fill. The crack described on the 14.2 page from the bonnet thru the hair to the neck is sometimes clearly visible and sometimes not at all. You should be able to confirm or eliminate the 14.2 from the published diagnostics for this die pair ... they are pretty dramatic.

It's definitely not a VAM 15. The 15 has only two feathers between the eagle's right wing and leg (viewer's left). This one has three.

My recommendation is to nail down that reverse first (forget everything else until you confirm which reverse you're looking at). Then hit the obverse and additional reverse PUPs. A closeup of the wing feather configuration would help immensely.

Happy Friday Everybody!

I use periperal die cracks as the last resort when attributing 8TF Morgans.
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 Posted 10/01/2010  08:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wornslick to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And a Happy Friday to you Seated Nut and everyone else. I just finished taking some more pics. I am taking these with a Nikon L22 with the coin leaning against a bowl on the dining room table. High Tech Huh?


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 Posted 10/01/2010  08:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wornslick to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
When you say "Ear Fill" do you mean that I cannot see the ear opening clearly? I can see the ear detail fine on this one.
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 Posted 10/01/2010  08:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wornslick to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Also I can see the crack running from the Bonnet through the hair onto the base of the neck easily.
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 Posted 10/01/2010  09:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SeatedNut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's what is meant by earfill.

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The blue line represents the normal ear fill. Significant polishing of the die has reduced the earfill on the 14.2 to the red line.

If you see that crack, then you have a 14.2 (and a gorgeous one at that). Check the 14.2 page to confirm other diagnostics.
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 Posted 10/01/2010  09:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wornslick to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, thats the way the ear fill looks, the one inside the red line.
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 Posted 10/01/2010  11:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wornslick to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
zeewool, I hear ya!
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 Posted 10/01/2010  12:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You may hear me slick, but I'm not so sure you understand what I am saying.

The cracks through those specific star points (and through the E, the dot, the P, the cap, the hair etc.) don't lie. No other 8TF variety has that same crackage. It is a lock. It is 14.2, although the controversy may continue, it won't change anything other than to cause you to doubt your own opinion.
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 Posted 10/01/2010  12:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wornslick to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
zeewool, I am just glad to know which one it is. I went to the VAM site and this coin has other things that make it a 14.2. The is a mark above the Letter "L' for one thing. I know it is a common VAM but I am very happy with the coin. I took my time and found a nice one, just like I was told to do here. Thanks,
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 Posted 10/01/2010  1:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add twohawks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
on the early photos I could not make out the crack Zee has it 14.2 polished ear.
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Actually Russ, I couldn't make out any cracks on 'any' of the pictures, I was going on the strictly on the reverse being definitely A1L, and then the description of the coin as having cracks which narrowed it down to 14.2 or 14.15. That is why I gave the descriptions of those two crack patterns to slick.
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 Posted 10/01/2010  2:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I realize that you are far more experienced at this sort of thing than I am Dave, so I am asking this for my own education:


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How did you arrive at A1k from that?
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