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Pillar of the Community
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If you ever get the time to photograph this Morgan, I would love to see those "locally found Roman Coins"!!!
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Do you collect ancients Mike?
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Hi Gang.
I just purchased an 1887 and it says "die crack" on the packet. I tried to get a photo but could not get a close up with my camera.
On the front of the coin, bottom (6 o'clock) is a thin line that run to about 9 pm, connecting the stars.
Any clue what this is?
Rich
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I tried to get a photo but could not get a close up with my camera. Do you have a scanner that you might try to get a good image with? Quote:
On the front of the coin, bottom (6 o'clock) is a thin line that run to about 9 pm, connecting the stars.
Sounds like a die crack to me Rich, but cracks connecting stars in that area are not specific to any particular VAM. The folks here would really need some pictures to be of any assistance. |
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I don't know why I haven't seen this thread before now but to answer your question every Morgan and Peace dollar is a VAM, but its the different characteristics and die marriage which makes it a certain VAM but yes it is a VAM but need more details other than cracks around the letters to try and determine which VAM it is. Morgan dies were used to the point that they almost fell apart (and some did) so cracks are very common place on the coins, its the placement and shape of the cracks that help in the attribution of which VAM the coin is |
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actually as a secondary diagnostic, die cracks are quite like figer prints. and can be used to Identify a VAM, even though its not the MAIN diagnostic points of the particular VAM....1887 has quite a few vams with cracks, and many connect the stars, however as they are not the focal point you don't always find the pictures to support this.. |
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Yeah, 'that' is what I 'meant' to say.
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I guess the interesting things is.......Many times we do not have the main points for the explination or such as VAM PUP's, just given a picture where the small points that differentiate the VAM cant be readily seen, but from the secondary points one can narrow it down.... Some times finding the reasons of what happened are discovered by backwards engineering...taking the known and deciphering it to find out the whats and whys...this is actually a very used principle... |
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I can't figure out how to upload a pic of the coin, even tho the crack really doesn't show
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Pillar of the Community
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when you are "Replying to a topic" at the bottom of the screen is a green button that will allow you to browse for your folder that your image is stored within, simply click on the folder and choose the image double click and it will be uploaded.. be sure that it is sized under 100KB.....before you load it...
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Here's the coin. The crack, not really visible, connects the stars on left, and on right.  |
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FIRST of all you all are not going to believe this..................
ok I am going to post this ...........just to steatch this out
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now that I have your attention.....Vams are attention to detail... this coin IS...... a VAM 1887 19A/B as is my findings that VAM 1887 VAM 19A and 1887 VAM 19B are under review.... NOW for those who do not know the PUP's, the Pick Up Points.. the 1887 19A/B has the die crack over the cap....as seen in the contributors photo's and its hard to see if your not looking for it... as the final word is not given.. the die cracks above the bonnet as seen( if you look).. is VAM 19B.... I have 2 of them.... So for now they are 1887 19B now under revision...hum,mmmm what does that mean........it means VAM 1887 19 to 19a and 19B are die related to those who don't understand the die relationships and die designation. just between you and me.....there should be a crack from the bonnet towards the UMum think the speelings right, just check the listings....Untill its a revision. I call it 19B.. though it may change as there is a study going on...meaning its a die state progression.....MY PERSONAL thoughts......and you can discount them is t is an 1887 19B I3 (interest 3) R7 (rareity) but I think the rareity is not that rare.........STILL A COOL COIN../ So don't give up on this coin..... |
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Laughing, I must say, "huh?" what's a 19B13 interest 3 mean? an r7 means it's rare? Again this stuff is new to me. My 8 year old is totally into coins and I'd much rather buy him a coin than a toy! 1. Should I get it graded through NGC, or send it somewhere else? 2. what do you think the final verdict is? 3. worth? |
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Hey Aladin, one more thing you didn't mention. The thin crack you CAN'T see that connects the stars....what's THAT?
You in NY by chance?
Rich
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