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I was buying some Peace dollars this past week, to fill some holes in my Dansco. I posted the picture of this one on Stewart's thread for post a Peace dollar. He mentioned that it looked like a VAM and posted a link to compare. I think it looks like the VAM he mentioned.

I hope I can get some opinions, any are welcome. I know it is not a high grade example, I paid $32.00 just to fill the hole.

EDIT: Here is the link Stewart posted

http://www.vamworld.com/1934-D+VAM-3



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 Posted 10/22/2010  5:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, I think you might just be right, it does look sorta like a VAM to me also. (I'll bet someone might be able to tell you which one too).
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Stewart is correct. VAM-3......nice find.
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Does this coin being a VAM, make it worth more?
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All Morgans and Peace dollars are VAM's, the type of VAM it is as well as grade determines it's value. Many are very common, and some very rare! I tend not to look at the are rating of a said coin, I also have a hard time with Peace dollars
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 Posted 10/23/2010  12:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is the more common of the two 1934-D DDO obverses, but a coin which generates high interest all the same. They're somewhat more liquid than "run-of-the-mill" Peace VAM's, easier to liquidate due to demand but not commanding a huge premium except in high grades.
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the things that hurt me the most is when a coin is wiped.....like this one.......nice grade and VAM... lost in the wipe...
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I share your sorrow Gene. Looks maybe like 200 grit was use to do the wiping as well.
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I blew up the available pictures and played with the contrast
and inverted the colors to make it a negative.
Both reverse shots. One from this thread and
one from "Post a Peace dollar" Thread

I am not saying it is not a wipe but I would like to see
larger resolution photos or coin in hand before I agree
that it is a wipe.
I am having a hard time seeing wipe marks on the tops of
the rays and on the Eagles left shoulder and wing.
The second questionable area running up the left side of the
coin through the letters of "UNITED" could possibly
be a wipe also but with the characteristic low relief of the
Peace dollar reverse lettering it is hard to tell from the available
photos. Just to the south of the "U" of United there is a small
raised area in the shape of a bar running North-South.
which "could" be a die gouge indicating that a mint worker
"might" have gotten a little over zealous with a grinder
trying to polish up the die to remove some kind of defect.
In my study's of the Eisenhower dollar series over the last few years
I have seen some pretty messy die polishing that has left it's
marks all over the coins produced from these fixed dies.
and sometimes in photos what ends up being Die Polish Lines
looks like a serious wipe on a coin.

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Just about 'anything' could have happened at the mint....... or after the coin left the mint. The thing about occurrences 'at' the mint is that something like an over zealous die grinding should show on other vam-3 as well as this one. Grinders will normally leave a circular trail rather than straight and parallel. Like I said, anything can happen, but the possibility that this happened to a singular coin leaves great doubt in my mind as to whether this actually occurred at the mint.

I know sometimes when I adjust colors, contrast, brightness, hue, etc, I can just as easily mask and filter out detail that I had hoped to enhance. Goldrush is the person with coin in hand, so he should be the one to make the determination of what is up with the coin. Just because he may not recognize particular die varieties of Peace dollars does not necessarily indicate that he is both blind and ignorant. I will take Goldrush's word as to whether or not the coin is wiped, cleaned, gouged, damaged, etc. I have learned that I can only trust on line images to a very limited degree, especially a photo. Scans, I feel, are a bit more reliable, but they too have drawbacks.
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I believe on this site you have to take the good with the bad.

I do believe, that at sometime in the past,something got on this coin and someone wiped it off.
That is why I acquired this coin for $32.00. I think it would be at least a AU coin
if not for the coin having the wiping and maybe double the cost.

But... in hand it is not as noticeable. I took the pictures with a Canon DSLR 8MP camera.
I had two desk lamp shining on the coin. The first pictures, I took for Stewart's post
I was hand holding the camera, causing a little blurring. For the VAM post I sat the
camera down and took pictures with the delay shutter function. This allowed more detail
of the coin to show. I also used the auto color function on Picasa3 to take out some of
the yellow.

I guess I am saying all this, because as most of you know, pictures like this will show
every flaw in much more detail.

I am still excited that Stewart (Terry) pointed out to me, that this might be a VAM. Because
it is my first one, for me, to be identified.

If what little research I have done so far, it might be a Top 50 VAM. And this one being a
VAM 3 (with the filled D) and not the more rare micro D VAM 4

If I am saying any of this wrong, please excuse me. My experience with VAM's is only from
reading a couple post on this site, and some recently about this particular coin.

Again thank you all for responding, it is a good learning experience for me.
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Yes, Top 50.....Any doubled die coin is something special, and your vam-3 shows pretty awesome doubling in my opinion. I think that it is one heck of a great coin for your first VAM.

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I wouldn't be surprised if the "wipe" was incidental rather than deliberate. The result from a TPG would be the same, though.


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I guess I am saying all this, because as most of you know, pictures like this will show
every flaw in much more detail.


Absolutely, and it's something we all need to consider when evaluating photographs of coins.
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having the coin in hand one could tell weather the lines are raised above the surface or within the surface, also to in hand you could see if they are also in the ray's as well, or not at all in the rays, indicating its part of the dies polishing/feature, still a nice coin
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