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Valued Member
United States
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Can anyone tell me anything about this coin? I realize it's almost certainly counterfeit. Are any of the counterfeits worth anything much? A friend of mine that deals in antiques acquired this and asked me to check into it for him. My pics didn't turn out as well as I'd hoped but here they are.   |
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New Member
United States
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My guess is its a Six pense reproduction. The real ones were produced in 1615 and ended in 1616, but anything is possible
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Valued Member
 United States
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If it is a reproduction it was done quite some time ago. I saw the ones made in the 1850's and this doesn't look anything like them. I will assume it's fake until I find out otherwise. Some things are just too good to be true. We don't know the history of this particular piece, an old guy brought it in and said he thought it might be worth something and wanted my friend to sell it for him and them split the profit.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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I have the very same, identical piece. It's a poor counterfeit of a piece of Bermuda money, and I'm assuming that it's fairly new - I've had the piece for about 30 years or less. I haven't a clue where I got it - probably in a box at an auction.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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It's a reproduction of the shilling, note the XII above the hog. There are lots of reproductions of these coins, I have a beautful copper electrotype of the shilling.
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Valued Member
United States
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Is this particular reproduction worth anything?
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Moderator
 United States
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Novelty only. I have seen only genuine examples in PCGS holders, never raw. This coin is extremely rare and PCGS has made exceptions to all that were mainly found by metal detectors, and very corroded by the salt water beaches of Bermuda.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Landon As a collector of counterfeit coins, I would place this particular coin in the "Tourist Replica Class". It appears to be an off metal casting produced from crudely made molds. It does not appear to be a transfer copy of any sort so is not a Numismatic Forgery. It looks rather unlike the original, so fraud can not be implied in the production. The technology used is not recent. More recently somewhat deceptive copies are being made through photo-engraving of molds and dies. The estimate of 30 years plus is a good one in my opinion for the age of this coin. I would say these became popular in the 1950s as souvenirs and this type appears to be from that general time period. So it could have been made anytime in the past 60 or 70 years.
The fact that the item is not marked copy could be an indication that it was produced before 1974 BUT that could also mean that it was produced outside the US (say on Bermuda) after that date.
Value is in the mind of the buyer. The market for Replica copies is very weak and since this type is modern and was likely mass produced, it would be my opinion that the supply far exceeds the demand. That combination means that the item has a very low value. I have seen very similar examples in junk boxes at coin shows that I have passed up for 50 cents. That is not to say this version is necessarily very common, it could be nearly unique and would still fall into the same general category.
That is not to say that somewhere, someplace a collector of counterfeits may not be assembling a collection of all the known copies of the Bermuda Issues and he might pay $10 or more for this one particular type. But, as a general rule of thumb, it is NOT a highly valuable item in my opinion.
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02/12/2011 1:58 pm
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Valued Member
United States
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Thank you for the detailed response, swamperbob.
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Valued Member
Italy
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Here another example of imitation of Hogge money I found in an album of old coins I got some moths ago   |
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