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What Is Everyone's Feelings About Auctions?

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 Posted 02/18/2011  12:18 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add rkrj to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
My wife suprised me and took tomorrow off and we are going to go to a couple of auctions for fun tomorrow. So I looked up some that have coins as well as other things. I just wondered if anyone had good or bad experiences with auctions.
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 Posted 02/18/2011  12:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CEOcoinshop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


There are a couple of GOOD online auctions.......NOT ebay...

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 Posted 02/18/2011  12:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rkrj to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I assume you mean ebay for one and I am not sure the other
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 Posted 02/18/2011  02:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mdpmedia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
rkrj,



Step One:

It is imperative to always have a maximum price in mind when you bid on any item at an auction. Then never change your target price once the auction has begun for that particular item.

Many folks can easily become involved in the frenzy of an auction and begin to bid abnormally high: great for a seller but catastrophic for a buyer that finds out that he/she has grossly overpaid for an item.

Another trick I have learned with more experienced auctioneers is that many times they will initially start out by yelling a very high price in the hopes that some sucker will bid on that inflated price.

The emotion of the ‘fear' of losing the item can entice a bidder to jump in at that higher price without following a more conservative and ultimately more productive bidding pathway.

Step Two:

Always let someone else or the auctioneer set in the initial bid because if you are interested in that item, ample time will always exist for you to throw in your bid later in the bidding process.

This too avoids overpaying for an item that should have started out for a much lower price.

Step Three:

Let's assume multiple items are up for bid and the auctioneer is selling choice for these items. Then when the auction ends for these items let's assume that you have lost the auction but an item still remains that interests you in this lot.

In this particular example you were bidding against only one other bidder (the winner).

A sharp auctioneer will ask you if you would like to choose one of the remaining items at the price that the winner just received it at.

For 'fear' of losing the item nine out of ten bidders will usually take one of the remaining items at the recent win price that the initial winner just won it at.

The auctioneer might even classify you as a ‘backup' bidder which gives you the right to purchase the item at this recent price.

The sharp bidder, however, will decline the auctioneer's request to buy now and instead wait until the item is run again by the auctioneer.

Because in this example only one other person was bidding against you it is probable that this same scenario will exist the second time around but the winning price will be lower (99% of the time) when the auction ends with you as the winner.

Because you waited until the item was put up for auction for a second time you saved $s and allowed the emotion of ‘fear' of losing the item to be secondary to any other thoughts.

I hope you find my comments useful and please let the CC know if they work for you.

Good luck out there and do your preliminary research (if possible) before engaging in any bidding war...

fyi,

mdpmedia

PS: These examples obviously apply to in-person auctions.

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 Posted 02/18/2011  06:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add omahaorange to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't do much online auctions, although I found a site that lets me put absentee bids in on items in their upcoming live auctions. I do quite a few live auctions. I could not have said it any better then mdpmedia in regards to live auctions. He gave very sound advice. Beware of "auction fever". I would add go early, all the auctions I've attended have a period of time before the bidding starts so you can preview the items prior to bidding. Parking is usually at a premium at these venues as well.

You can use a website such as http://www.auctionzip.com to look for local auctions and view pictures of the offered items. Then like I said, go early and look at the things you're interested in.

I can't stress enough to set your price prior to the bidding, and do not go over that number.
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 Posted 02/18/2011  07:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rsxtacee to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yikes...an hour later, I'm still on that site. Thanks Omaha. Would be nice to snag a few things I see. I even put in some bids, nowhere near where the end prices will end up, but it's still fun and who knows. Also, be aware that there is an 18% premium that goes to the AH and 3% to the seller. You also have to pay for shipping and what not. FIgure that into your costs before you bid.
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Let's assume multiple items are up for bid and the auctioneer is selling choice for these items. Then when the auction ends for these items let's assume that you have lost the auction but an item still remains that interests you in this lot.

In this particular example you were bidding against only one other bidder (the winner).

A sharp auctioneer will ask you if you would like to choose one of the remaining items at the price that the winner just received it at.

For 'fear' of losing the item nine out of ten bidders will usually take one of the remaining items at the recent win price that the initial winner just won it at.

The auctioneer might even classify you as a ‘backup' bidder which gives you the right to purchase the item at this recent price.

The sharp bidder, however, will decline the auctioneer's request to buy now and instead wait until the item is run again by the auctioneer.

Because in this example only one other person was bidding against you it is probable that this same scenario will exist the second time around but the winning price will be lower (99% of the time) when the auction ends with you as the winner.

Because you waited until the item was put up for auction for a second time you saved $s and allowed the emotion of ‘fear' of losing the item to be secondary to any other thoughts.


This is good advice but can also work against you. I have seen items put back on the block only to gain several more bidders and sell for even higher money. If it is a choice auction, I will sometimes drop from bidding if I only have one other bidder and take any leftovers as the back up bidder. My success rate with approach is about 50/50. I was bidding on a lot of 11 Morgans a couple of years ago against 2 others, one I knew was stacked with cash so I could not out bid him. He knew nothing of coin but had seen me buy at several auctions so he ws diving in. I just made sure I was back up bidder. Final sale price was $11, I had bid $10 and the other guy dropped out at $7 or $8. The winning bid took only one coin. A nice shinny 1921 so I had choice of the other 10 of which I took seven. The other 3 went back to block only to sell for the same price as before to another bidder. Again more people had decided to bid the second time around.
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They are fun but for some reason every coin auction I have gone to have had the prices end up well above fair market value. Whether it's just uneducated buyers thinking that things have to be worth alot because they're old or other shady things going on, every auction has turned out that way.

On one auction when silver was much much lower, and melt value for silver dollars was around $12, the beat up Peace and Morgan dollars were going for $20-$25. One guy kept bidding them up so we asked him why he was paying so much. His claim was that he was buying them to resell to a local refiner and that the refiner was paying MORE than melt. So his story was b.s. from 2 standpoints....one that refiners dont do that as far as I have ever seen, and two that the melt value was closer to $9 and he was paying $20 or more for each. Even if the dollars were one pure ounce of silver, he was still paying well over what he should be based on his claim. We pointed out the error in his ways and he became VERY defensive. It made us all wonder if he was a shill bidder for the auction house, and many of us walked away without buying anything.

Anyway, it's still fun to see the coins and other things so like others mentioned above, if you plan to bid you need to pick your max and stick with it. Dont get caught up in the auction fever and get carried away.
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 Posted 02/18/2011  08:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BluesZone to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's a waste of time going to auctions for coins in my area. I can get deals on other things but not on coins. There are 6-8 old farmers and retired guys that buy almost everything for over what it's worth. In hindsight I guess they did pretty well on the silver they over paid for last year but the other items will never get to where they paid. I guess my point is don't get too worked up before you go because you might not have much of a chance to get a good deal.
I hope you hit a good one. Let us know how it goes.
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I attend quite a few coin auctions and offer the following:

- make sure you examine the coin(s) before hand, more that once I have been surprised after I got the coin in hand and gave it a good look.
- don't get caught up in the excitement, have a price in mind and stick to it. There will be more coins to come today and in the future
- do keep good notes to establish where trends. Is silver selling at melt, below or above?
- look for deals, even if you don't need something picking some stuff which is clearly a deal, can be rewarding
- if it's a long auction, the later in the day can be best. Some bidders may be out of money or tired
- coin only auctions will have the best selection but also the most dealers/serious collectors.

Good luck and have fun.
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Auctions are a great place to go and if nothing else but to look at coins. I agree that you can get caught up in the moment and end up in a bidding war and pay to much for an item (doesn't have to be coins). I would do as was mentioned and have a sst price in your mind and stick to it. its easy to say to yourself maybe they saw something I missed if the bidding gets crazy but chances are they didn't and your first impression was correct. This may not be the case 100% of the time but I would say it is at least 98% of the time so the odds are against you that your first impression were wrong
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 Posted 02/18/2011  12:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add carmykle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My wife would force me to go with her! (Amazing how a 115 lb lamb can convince a 225 lb lion into doing things.) Point is, I always ended up having more fun than her. Go figure!
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Don't ever take any advice on auctions from me. I once bought a rusty coathanger for 75 cents to open an auction. Duh!

I've bid in several internet auctions run through Proxibid and have had a good experience (but keep in mind just about everything that mpbmedia posted). As long as the photos of individual coins are clear, I can avoid "problem" coins and most counterfeits. I've actually discovered a few sleepers in mixed lots I've won, and although the usual Internet bidders' premium runs between 5 and 15 percent, I've never felt that I've overpaid for anything that I've won. Most auction houses will bend over backwards to point out deficiencies in lots that they sell, too, and will even pull lots when something has been described incorrectly.
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 Posted 02/18/2011  12:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add monkeyman67 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I tried Auctionzip a few times. Make sure you look at the FEES and the SHIPPING.
You have to be careful. You might think you are buying silver under melt but by the time they add 15% and a $12 minimum shipping and handling fee and a 3% credit card fee you pay way over. I always bid low hoping something would come my way but it never did. I think it is kind of a scam, be careful. But what do I know..
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Hello... This is steve johnson, the co-founder of auctionzip. If anyone has any questions about our site or how it works, I would be glad to answer.

Thank you,
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