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I found this roll searching a month or two back.....and I forgot I had it ! I never got around to taking pics of it (something I'm notorious for !), but upon finding the "die cast strike through Jefferson" (posted on the regular Modern section) and taking pics of THAT one....I saw my "Waffler" Lincoln laying to the side on my coin table and figured while I'm at it......might as well inquire about this one too. Some insight & education please ? Value estimates ? Collectibility ?    |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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think some one had a new pair of linesman pliers
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United States
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I'd say PMD on this one. If it were a waffled coin, it would be obliterated, much more uniform and somewhat attractive. |
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United States
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Plus the obvious...this coin is from 1981. They didn't start waffling coins until 1999.
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United States
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It looks like it got smashed in a metal vise...
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Guatemala
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... or got a good whack with a roofing hatchet.
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United States
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I like the coin....nice find
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United States
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I like it, it would go good with maple syrup  |
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I don't understand, and can't conceive how this would have or could have been done.....PMD. Everyones vote so far is this, and I accept that sadly, but could someone explain "how" ? ...  I wonder if my pictures are bad quality ? ... The parts that are "waffled" are "raised"....and the rest of the surface is undamaged or unmarked. There's no way that a vice or plyiers could do this... in my completely unknowledgeable mind ! ...  So, it's killing me to know how this was done.... |
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United States
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It looks really cool, but I agree, its PMD |
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Good questions eaglefoot...I'm anxious to see the answers myself. One thing I recommend to everybody is to get out there and experiment.try making some vise jobs or flattening with a hammer,etc...It's a good way to see the results first hand and helps in recognizing PMD later. |
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Guatemala
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Eaglefoot,
Just go to a hardware store and look at the work surfaces of a cross channel vise, or a roofing hatchet. Both items will have a 'grid' waffling pattern that is certainly very close to what you are looking at.
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Don't need to go to a hardware store though...... I've spent 23 years in the construction business, and have used these tools MANY MANY times !
They would press "inward" and "into" the surface of the coin ......not "raise" the metal of the coin. This is what puzzles me with those theories.
And there would be marks and indents too......of which there are NONE.
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To me it never really matters what caused the PMD, it's damaged and that's all that matters. There are literally thousands of ways a coin can be damaged, from vises to industial dryers, run over by a truck or beat with a hammer. While it's fun to speculate sometimes, I never let it bother me if I don't know what caused the damage. What matters is a good understanding of the minting process, so you can easily determine if something you have was even possible to be made at the mint. Dave Edited by Dave42
02/21/2011 12:29 pm
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The person who operated the press let felt some kind of metal screen on the planchet etc ! If was PMD the features on the coin would be damaged by pressure or contact ! I'm not specialist but for me looks more real then PMD! |
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Quote:The person who operated the press let felt some kind of metal screen on the planchet etc ! If was PMD the features on the coin would be damaged by pressure or contact ! No chance at all, the coin has been damaged by the pressure- look at the mangled rim. Quote:To me it never really matters what caused the PMD, it's damaged and that's all that matters. There are literally thousands of ways a coin can be damaged, from vises to industial dryers, run over by a truck or beat with a hammer. While it's fun to speculate sometimes, I never let it bother me if I don't know what caused the damage. What matters is a good understanding of the minting process, so you can easily determine if something you have was even possible to be made at the mint.  This. It is a complete waste of time to speculate on how a coin was damaged as there is an almost infinite number of ways of damaging coins. However, there is a limited number of things that can happen to a coin during its production. When you learn what CAN happen, it is much easier to figure out what CANNOT happen. Edited by biokemist6
02/21/2011 1:20 pm
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