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The High Price Of Silver Good Or Bad For Collectors?

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 Posted 02/22/2011  7:13 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Coin Chaser to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
This was the topic of our meeting last night. Whats your opinion?
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 Posted 02/22/2011  7:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yotie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
depends is your pre 64 collection complete? mine aint and it will be slower going for me because I am starting to look for MS coins rather than junk grade silver but on the other hand some nice MS coins can be gotten for silver spot thats my hope for silver roosies and modern Commemorative dollars
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 Posted 02/22/2011  7:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Americanamafia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would say good if your trying to thin your collection, bad if your trying to expand it...
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The high price of silver is bad for genuine numismatist / coin collectors.

If you wish to complete a date set of Morgans, for instance, but you can't afford to go for top condition, the silver value of the coin is higher, which is disappointing if you wish to concentrate on the coins, and not just accumulate silver.

I think a nicely matched date set of Morgans in AU would look mighty impressive. If such a set was near completion when silver was less then $9 per ounce, you would be fairly pleased. Much harder to do that now.

Instead, there is now a greater temptation to sell just because of the silver price, and not because of the coins themselves.
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i think is good !
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 Posted 02/22/2011  11:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oldno7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
One of the issues that I see will be with the modern silver proof sets. I was at a coin/bullion dealer recently and he had at least 1000 silver proofs that he was breaking to melt. That was before silver hit $30. I have seen and heard of many others doing this since then.

So if you currently have the silver coins I see the value increasing, but if you are trying to complete the sets it will be harder and more expensive.
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 Posted 02/23/2011  12:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rkp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think it's a good thing. Gives you a chance to get rid of some stuff you may have overpaid for years ago. That half dollar you paid 12 bucks for which turned out to be cleaned, etc.
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I think everyone is right. It's a double edged sword; good if you are getting rid of the lower grade stuff for which you overpaid, bad if you're trying to expand you pre-64 collection. The average collector is probably not buying "extras" that they had at lower metal prices either.
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I think it is good, because in this way, you can get coins with a numismatic value which is now equal to melt value and have a kind of hedge. If silver goes down, you didn't lose out because numismatic value would not be changed.
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 Posted 02/23/2011  11:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TenSense to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The long-term trend is the steady erosion of numismatic premiums over melt value of coins. Position accordingly and it is not a problem.
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It encourages current collectors to sell and get out of collecting. It discourages new collectors from getting started. Dealers spend so much time dealing with bullion buyers/sellers that they ignore the collectors turning them off and getting many to "go dormant" Their attitude also alienates beginning collectors. High silver may be good for individual collectors, but in the long run I think it is bad for the hobby.
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depends is your pre 64 collection complete?
Yes it is, at least for all modern series and only key dates remain for older coins.

The pessimist in me says this is bad. Less-serious collectors are probably abandoning the hobby and cashing in on their common-date heavy collections. This further drives down any numismatic premium (increased supply) and valuing many more coins at melt. As Conder said, this does not encourage people to start collecting, either.

The optimist in me says this is good. Serious collectors are feeling confident about what they have. To me, the key-dates no longer look so expensive when compared to bargains I made with common coins (that have doubled and tripled in value since purchase). Also, as rkp said, many are finally being compensated for those "mistakes" made in the past.
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 Posted 02/23/2011  11:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To me it's just an irritation. One dealer I know, or used to know, always greets everyone with "Silver is up". I keep saying so what? I buy coins for coins, not something to melt for metal. So now I just avoid that idiot. The worst part of the high price of Silver is there is just no cheap Silver coins anymore. They all start at a melt price regardless of how bad they are. Even so called Bargain or Junk boxes with Silver coins are vanishing on dealers tables at coin shows.
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I like the high silver prices because the dealers want to get the stuff sold fast so they don't sort it much before it goes into the silver bin. Then I go through and look for the goodies. So far, I am probably 50% done with Barber halves, 40% with Barber quarters and all bought at melt price.
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I'm loving it. I've been selling off a lot of old silver stuff I have around and using the money to pick up stuff I've been looking for for years. Especially good if the things you want are not silver. I'm currently putting together a 2nd set of post 65 mint and proof sets to fill in a set of Danscos. I'm using the money from the sale of my old stuff I bought when silver was $4 to fund the endeavor (both the sets and the albums). And, as someone else pointed out, I sell my lower grade stuff for melt value, then buy new stuff that is fairly high grade at melt value. Could be a good time to upgrade on the cheap.
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Even just for me on a personal level, it's good and bad.

When spot silver is high, I don't want to buy common-date coins and bullion.
The flipside is that the higher (bullion value-tied) prices of common items
make the better-date and key-date coins look like relative bargains.

When the best deal is the store is something on the level of a 1999 Silver Proof Set or an
MS-62 1899-P Morgan, this is good news and bad news (depending on your perspective).

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Conder101: It discourages new collectors from getting started.

Especially for any circulated silver coin series.
Starting a Dansco 7165 (for Franklin halves) is a bit of a daunting prospect when the 35 coins
comprising this series' circulation varieties have a melt value of $424.60 at the time of this post!



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