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Forum Dad
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1947: 7,603,724
1947 ML: 9,595,124
1947 Dot: Included
OK, what exactly does this mean? Are the "dots" included in the 7.6 million? Looking at the images in Charlton, there are none with a dot and a maple leaf right? So I'm guessing it's either plain, a dot, or a maple leaf right?
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Pillar of the Community
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The dots are included in the total mintage,plain,dot, or maple leaf,no hybrid.
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The 1947 Dot is a die variant of the 1947 Maple Leaf, so that it is included in the 9,595,124 of 1947 ML minted.
Both the dot and the ML were actually minted in the first half of 1948.
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Forum Dad
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The images in Charlton show either a dot or a maple leaf, not both. So what's up with that?
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I think I understand the confusion ! ---There are two kinds of 1947 nickels, first came the plain 1947, with a Mintage of 7,603,684 with the Obverse "ET IND: IMP:" ---Then came the 1947 Maple Leaf, Mintage 9,595,124 witch was minted in 1948 because they did not have the new Dies with the modified Obverse "DEI GRATIA REX:" that's why the maple leaf was made to distinguish the outmoded titles. --- The 1947 DOT is a variety that developed as a Die Deterioration of the maple leaf witch developed near the end turning into a simple Dot, happening just before the new Dies arrived, hence the rarity and the higher value! and is included in that Maple Leaf Mintage. ---This also explains the low Mintage of 1948, of only 1,810,789 to finish the need for that year with the new Obverse.
Edited by commoncents13
03/13/2011 07:13 am
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Pillar of the Community
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There are a few theories of the origin of the '47 dots none have been proven
-a fortunately located die chip
-a plugged maple leaf
-a center punch was used to mark the location of the maple leaf and some dies were used before the leaf was punched
-horseplay by mint employees
The dot appears on 5cents,25cents,and dollars for 1947,making the die chip and plugged leaf theories highly unlikely but not impossible.
You can't have dot and maple leaf together on the same coin
You can't be 100% certain whether to include them with the '47 plain or maple leafs
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Pillar of the Community
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> -a plugged maple leaf
> -a center punch was used to mark the location of the maple leaf and some dies were used before the leaf was punched
How varied are the locations of the maple leaves? The pics in Charlton don't show the dot anywhere near the maple leaf, on any denomination.
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Valued Member
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---It would seem, that there is allot of confusion with this as I now, correct myself aswell as to what I said exactly! With my further research! ---It has always been my understanding that the Maple Leaf had deteriorated and made sense to me that a piece of what was left of the leaf, floated near were the leaf was, but not exactly in the same spot, and looked like a dot.
---Or was it a Die Deterioration on the plain 47,  either way could make sense because the mint said it wasn't an intentional variety with the Nickel. --- Maybe that's not even correct, because I was not there to say exactly or should say, none of us were so we can only speculate and go by others wisdom. --- Charlton book says nothing to explain it, but, I found an old book, Coins of Canada 2003 by J.A. Haxby and R.C. Willey, 21st edition. With there thoughts!   ---I will add that, whether it is included with the 47 or the 47 Maple Leaf is not really clear or real important at least to me and can be debated to death. --- IMO, It is the rarity that is and it's value. It is, what it is and we will probably never know exactly, as the mint does not reveal it's secrets or mistake's easily. ---I was sure that I had one to show you but can't find it for some reason, sorry! maybe more for me! Because I can't find it! ---If my memory is correct it was not a clear dot and was a little off perfect. ---Meanwhile can one of you posting, post a picture of theirs for viewing! Edited by commoncents13
03/14/2011 05:10 am
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How varied are the locations of the maple leaves? I believe that for 1947 nickels,Charest, in his Book Of Canadian Coins And Their Varieties,lists high,low,near,far,small,large,and half maple leaf varieties. Quote:
The pics in Charlton don't show the dot anywhere near the maple leaf, on any denomination.
Both near varieties of maple leafs on 25cents coincide with the placement of the dot,I'm not sure about nickels. commoncents,you're right,it doesn't matter how they occurred. Edited by DBM
03/14/2011 10:43 am
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