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New Member
United States
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This one has had me baffled for years. It's 22k Gold, but I don't know anything else about it other than that it has a symbol for a coronation on one side and the crucifixion on the other. Any guidence would be helpful. The three sets of print that I can read easily are "IESU DU SOHN DAVID ERBARME DICH MEIN" "NON EST MORTALE QUOD OPTO" "CORONAM EN DECORAM SERVATOR CONFERT ET SHEVAT". Have fun :-D Image Insert: Image Insert: Edited by ucncllmeal
09/30/2006 03:32 am
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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How would you know that it's exactly 22k gold? Does it mention anywhere?
I was thinking it might be a token, and that it might actually be a brass token.
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Moderator
 Australia
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Looks like an interesting religious piece. It seems to be bilingual. The first motto given there is in German, and seems to be a biblical passage; Luke 18:36, "Jesus son of David, have mercy on me". The other two inscriptions are in Latin, which I can't help you much with. On a related note, does anyone know a good latin-to-English translation website? Latin hasn't made it onto Babel Fish yet.  If the piece doesn't have a date on it anywhere, it probably isn't a reference to an actual coronation or death of an earthly monarch; again a religious explanation (eg. receiving the "crown of life") seems most likely. The only thing against it being a religious amulet of some sort is that such pieces are usually holed, for wearing. If it has any sort of monetary function, it could be a jeton, or counting-token. I don't know if strong religious imagery like this was common on such items. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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New Member
 United States
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Unfortunate for the value overall the coin has been appraised by having a sliver of the metal taken from the edge and tested. It is indeed 22karat+
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09/30/2006 11:38 am
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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Non est mortale quod opto, it reads. Which loosely translates as "What I do here is going to outlive me
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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Non est mortale quod opto Ce que je souhaite est divin Quel che desidero, è divinoAquello che deseo es divino 'T geen ick begeer is goddelyk What I desire is godly Das ich begehr ist göttlich Warning the site takes nearly a minute loading on ADSL speed http://emblems.let.uu.nl/f1691267.html#pi |
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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CORONAM EN DECORAM SERVATOR CONFERT ET SERVAT
(Siehe welch schöne Krone der Heiland gibt und bewahrt)
look what beautifull crown the lord gives and keeps
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Belgium
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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Wow you guys are amazing! ucncllmeal you hit the mother-lode coming here!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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No matter the value,this is a beautiful coin.How did you come across this? :)sn31.
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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I'm amazed at Ageka, how did you come across that site and find the image?
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New Member
United States
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I purchased this Dukat in Hungary from a coin dealer/antique dealer who had a shop in one of the shopping districts. I asked him to look at his gold pieces since I wanted something of real "WOW" value to remember my trip to that country by. After a brief negotiation I purchased it from him for $350-$360 (I don't remember exactly, this was 7 years ago). Since then I have always wondered what I bought. Now I know, although I don't understand the german in that sight I'll do my best to translate it and understand it. I also see that the dealer who sold it to me didn't know what it was, he said something about it being an old coin from the 1800s. Ageka, thank you VERY much for your help, I am AMAZED at the depth of information you were able to find for me. Thank you again.
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New Member
United States
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So, now that we know it's a 1745 "Pious" commerative Ducat...What's it worth today?
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Australia
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Well done, Ageka. Guess I was wrong - and not for the first time.  Let's see, then. The coin is listed in the Krause catalogue of world coins (18th century), under the German state of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld, KM#30. Composition 0.986 fine gold, which is pretty darn near pure; that's the normal standard for European gold ducats. The values given in the catalogue are: $175 in Very Good, $350 in Fine, $700 in VF and $1200 in EF. Your pics are a little blurry to tell the condition of yours, but I'd guess $1000 as a ball-park figure - and that may be conservative, given that the price of gold has gone up since the catalogue was printed (3rd Ed, 2002). Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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New Member
United States
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Then from a financial stance I'd say it was a sound investment, and from a personal stance I'd say that it was a perfect investment. I purchased it as a memento of my trip to hungary and then had it loose mounted in a necklace piece so that it wouldn't be damaged but could be worn as the religious icon I thought it was then. Now I'll keep it save and admire it when I have a question of faith and otherwise just be glad to know that I have something that is rare indeed. Thank you all for your help and thank you all for your patience.
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Posted 09/30/2006 10:56 am
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