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I've been collecting silver for quite a while. I recently started to get more and more interested in actually collecting coins for there history and because its fun!

On another note, I really have no idea what I should be collecting for investment purposes. I know what coins I like to collect but now I need to know what coins I should be collecting. I just want to start collecting something to put away for my kids for when they get older.

My budget is roughly 400$ a month.....any opinions or words of wisdom would be great!
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Morgan dollars are very popular investments in grades of MS64 and above. I would go certified on what ever you buy. Key dates are my #1 choice for long term investments. At $400 per month budget most may be out of your reach but not all of them. It would also depend on the grades of those coins as well.
There are some great Lincoln Cent investments such as the 1914-D that would meet the criteria for your budget. It's coins like these that I would put away.
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I think you should collect what you like first. Most all of it will be worth more when your children are older. Most on here will tell you if you want to invest buy mutual funds, if you want to collect buy coins. I like to collect but also look forward to leaving my daughter something of value to remember me by. $400 is what I spend in 6 months so you should do well building a collection to pass on to them. I would stick to the silver if it were me with $400 per. ASE,Franklins,Morgans,Peace,Mercury. Best of both worlds, you collect a set and also get silver and key dates.
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 Posted 03/28/2011  10:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add angel2004 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You can look at an investment many ways. If you think our US currency is fine and not going to be devalued, some may say to invest in coins that have numismatic value. If things go bad, I think that basically any silver/gold/even copper/nickel will have the intrinsic value not much or any numismatic value. That being said I have a few of the gold coins from a couple years ago (before all the real dollar/economy issues these past 2 years. I really think for me at least the 'junk silver US coins' are the best silver investment. They will always be worth their face, more likely the silver value as has been so since pretty much since they haven't been minted. They are easily recognizable and not that great a denomination in value such as gold would be. Another 'investment' I feel is a win win is nickels. The metal value currently is more than face. I know they cannot be melted. I feel that if there is great inflation, the metals will go up in price and they could be used as 'real' money in smaller denominations than the silver pre1965 coins. They are a hedge against deflation inasmuch as you 'pay' a nickel and it will always be worth at least a nickel. Can't lose the face value which is all that's paid. Copper pennies and even all coin have intrinsic value as well - paper money is just paper. That's my take on all of this. Each time I have gotten a little silver recently less and less halves to the paper dollar. Not good if you want more like I really do. I just don't want a big slump if paying high, but even with rising cost for silver, since the dollar is doing so poorly, I still feel the silver coins will be a good investment. I feel that even if it goes back down and all goes well, the money lost will be worth the security I have knowing that in bad times like now, I have real value. If all goes well with US economy any amount I may lose to silver going down in price will be made up by the security that I will have knowing our country has gotten back on its feet. If not, I am not stuck with worthless paper and have the silver/gold/nickel and copper! Just my thoughts everyone is different on this. Hope it helps.

Plus, nickels in many dates are still out there. Even if you think the 'hoarding' of nickels is silly, make a collection for the children! I was just going to keep a few hundred dollars in nickels as a hedge against inflation/deflation. a no cost investment. The first roll I was checking to prove correctness had both a silver nickel and a buffalo. Well, with all the older nickels I found by going though just over 100.00, I decided to make a 'nickel collection folder' for my little grandson. I was very young when we were keeping the silver coins. Now, I will do so with nickels!
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Investing in precious metals has been traditionally a terrible investment, gold particularly is extremely volatile, so I don't really agree with Angel2004. I totally agree with Vermontensium, key dates are where you want to be. 1916d Mercury, 1909s vdb Lincoln, 1909s IHC, 1932D Washington, 1955 double die etc. The top keys always seem to increase in value and there will always be a demand for them. THere are many key dates in your price range, you just may need to save up for a few months at a time. Your budget is relatively large so that's a plus. Besides key dates, anything in a high mint state, particularly Morgans as mentioned. I also agree with buying slabbed as while many people are terrible fond of slabbed coins or TPGs, they are perfect for investing purposes.
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Would also consider extremely high grade common dates, preferrably graded coins that were graded at least 5 years ago.

Some may question this, but try to find common dates in just about any series (pre 1970).

Some exceptional Indian pennies, Buff nickels, Washington quarters, etc, etc, can be bought in that price range. Would look at MS 67/8/9 grades only. Research the population reports to narrow the quest. Don't forget, the pop reports generated now, have been weighted with "market grading". So, buy the coin, not just the slab.
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I agree with other posters... for investment, buy key dates.
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Someone is bound to post the worn out speech "Don't ever collect for investment purposes, only collect for fun" so you can expect that to come your way. Blah, blah, blah. So, Angel2004 is right on target. Silver is hot and probably will stay that way for sometime. I think it still has alot of room to run up in my opinion. And I don't believe it's too late to get started. Collecting what you like is very important. I was advised about 4 years ago to buy common PCGS/NGC Morgan dollars in MS64. At that time I was getting them for $45-$55 each. Retail today is about $80. I like junk silver also. Dimes, quarters and halves dated 1964 or before with no numismatic value but yet contains 90% silver. Right now I'm grabbing cull Morgans with no holes. Full rim Barber dimes, quarters and halves graded Good4 are a great buy and I'm getting all I can. Australian 1oz Silver Kangaroos are on fire right now with that low, low mintage they have and prices are going to the moon. Still, whatever the price, they are worth the investment in my opinion. Bullion silver, I like 1oz rounds and bars. I make it a habit to stay away from new products the mint offers. This is all what I like, in my opinion and not advising you to do the same. Also, I would suggest you educate your children about coins. Their value and history. That way they will appreciate them so much more when they obtain them from you. Can't even count how many times in my lifetime I've seen kids get their parents estate and all they want to do, in many cases, is to sell everything and get their hands on that money from the sale. Really not much appreciation for what their folks have worked for and saved.
Anyway, this post is becoming a book, so later. Keep us posted as to what direction you decide to go.
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Using the word "investment" in coin collecting is sometimes a glaring uncomfortableness for most.
As Condor (ccf member) has said...... "You want an investment, get a mutual fund" ....

But, having said that...... I'd say, that if you can afford them, key date coins, or just the older Classic coins in high grades would be a relatively safe bet.
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You are hearing many good ideas so far, and I agree with a lot of them.

Key dates are always a good choice, but you do have to learn how to buy them,
just as you will any other coins. A 1909 S vdb Lincoln Cent is a key date
and has pretty much always gone up in value over time. But you don't want
to spend $2000 for a particular grade when you may find the same grade for $1500.

What I am saying is you have to learn, what you can sell coins for, or what they
do sell for, so you know when a good buy comes along. Buying any coins at the right
price will be a good investment.

So you have to learn a lot about coins
- how to grade them
- how to tell fakes
- how to tell if they have been cleaned

Then there is the market conditions. like right now silver and gold are high.
So you should be buying coins differently then when silver and gold are low.

For me, right now Morgan dollars can be a good deal. I have been looking for
raw MS63/64 coins that can be picked up in the $35 to $45 range.
With unemployment high and silver high, I am seeing a lot of collections being
sold to coin shops. If you are at the right place at the right time you can get some
really good deals.

If you are not set on any coin series, you may want to consider a type set.
A lot of members here are putting theirs in a Dansco 7070 album.
$400 a month could buy some nice type coins. You could even try to put in
either higher grade coin or even key date coins.

I think a dansco 7070 with coins like a 1914 D Lincoln, 1921 D mercury,
1908 S Indian cent, 1939 D Jefferson nickel, 1938 D Walking Lib half,
1921 Peace dollar and many others like these would be a very good investment,
if the coins were bought right.
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Lots of good ideas here: key coins, type coins, MS Morgans/Peace, etc. I'm sure you've heard by now that "investment" is the four letter word in the hobby, although I know of no one who decides to collect on a loss!

Here's my Two Cent suggestions: complete BU sets with high intrinsic metal content. With your budget, the short set of Washington quarters (1941-1964), Franklin halves are within striking distance, particularly if you carefully acquire them one coin at a time. Even the earlier Washingtons and Walking Liberty halves are mostly with your price range, and there's nothing like that sense of satisfaction you get from the hobby when completing a set. BU Jefferson nickels since there is a large question mark on the future of the nickel and it's metal composition.

Hardly any of the offerings of the US Mint are worth buying, except for the burnish uncirculated versions of the bullion coins issued with a "W" mint mark from 2006-2008 as collector offerings hardly anyone paid attention to. The $1 ASE, the $5 & $10 gold eagles are all worth a look for their small mintages.

For current coins, a set of state and territorial quarters in 90% silver proof can be put together fairly quickly for under $500, including the ultra expensive '99 coins. 10 oz. of silver, and they look impressive and flashy stored in air-tites inside a wood case or inside a date set coin album. The ATB Quarters also in 90% silver, the ones released so far are much better designed than the State Quarters and have much lower mintages and thus far less well known.
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the only good investments will be when you buy them at the right price....
You make the money when you buy ... Pay to much you already lost money and might have to hold a long time to break even

If you collect what you like ? what you need to fill a hole ? You might over pay....
The key is to never overpay...

Your gonna get lots of chances " to buy " but your gonna have to pass on most untill you walk into a deal thats of a benifit to you
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$400 a month = almost $5,000 a year.

Besure you have paid off other bills such a charge card, car loan,maybe money towards a mortgage....

I'm just saying if your gonna buy coins as investment make sure your have paid off other things that occur more intrest then the return on the coins...

Would not make sense to buy 5k a year in coins when someone could pay off their mortgage of $70,000 in a 15 years instead of 30 saving them over a 100k in intrest...
You get the picture
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Do your homework. Know exactly what you are buying. Don't overpay.

At the moment bullion gold and silver dominate the coin market, or at least take up far more than the usual share.

I'm not sure if this is the reason, but key and semi-key lincoln cents and Buffalo nickels are available for a bargain (at least in my neck of the woods). Look for PCGS or NGC slabbed.
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WOW! Seems like I came to the right place for words of wisdom! Thanks to ll you guys or gals for the comments.

I have been collecting mainly junk pre-64' silver for the last couple of years and I believe thats the best route for me to go.In response to getting a mutual fund, I will never do that. I have a rule that if I can't hold it in my hand then I aint't buyin! I have a 401K for my retirement but thats about as far as I go when it comes to letting others handle my investments.

I do believe one day that our economy will crash much worse then it has in the past two years.I'm not an "oh my good lord, the world is coming to an end" fanatic but I do believe in having tangibles that are necessary for trade or a new world currency of silver,gold etc.

For the most part, I've been collecting what I like which isn't any high dollar coins by any means. I've almost completed my first series of Kennedy proof half dollars. I know what you all mean now about getting that feeling when you complete a set ;). really neat!

Anyhow, I think I will most definitely take everyones opinions into consideration and make a wise decision.

I like the idea of having slabbed coins for a number of reason. Most importantly I think it's what I like that most. Morgans dollars seem to be pretty much in my budget. I also like the idea of key dates and will also start there.



One "rookie" question though, what decides a coin to be a key date?

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Key dates? Find any numismatic price guide, look for the lowest mintage, most expensive. Google is your friend.

Also, lots of good info here in the glossary, left side of page under Navigation.
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