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1964 Lincoln Cent DDR?

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finally I found something. Pretty sure on this one, but looking for some verification to make sure. As usual, sorry for the pics. tried to focus on serifs.

1964-Lincoln-Cent-DDR?

1964-Lincoln-Cent-DDR?

1964-Lincoln-Cent-DDR?

1964-Lincoln-Cent-DDR?

1964-Lincoln-Cent-DDR?

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 Posted 03/30/2011  11:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add timsumrall to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice zoom!
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 Posted 03/30/2011  11:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HeadsIWin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like MD to me.









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 Posted 03/30/2011  11:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Umm, yeah...

This is without a shadow of a doubt a doubled die.

MD...really?

Nice find!
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 Posted 03/30/2011  11:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ikandiggit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Notching on the corners gives it away. Nice find!
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 Posted 03/30/2011  11:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HeadsIWin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's why I wrote "looks" like MD. It looks like shelving to me- I'm not an expert and I'm still learning. No offense to anyone I'm just being honest and obviously still learning.

By the way, congrats on a nice find!
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 Posted 03/31/2011  12:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HeadsIWin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Now I see the notching. Thanks for pointing that out ikandigit. Does a doubled die need to have notching for it to be a doubled die? Also does that mean MD has no notching?
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 Posted 03/31/2011  12:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tershaffer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thanks all, any guesses on which DDR it is, 1964P-1DR-002P has some value, but 001 not so much. I know its hard to tell from pics, but strongest doubling is on the "OF AMERICA" and lightest on all other devices. You can see notching on all lettering though and the corners of the building. Guesses on grade would help too.
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 Posted 03/31/2011  12:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ikandiggit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The difference between Mechanical Doubling and doubled dies is explained nicely in this link. Third paragraph in particular:

http://doubleddie.com/144822.html
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 Posted 03/31/2011  12:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tershaffer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
never mind, just realized that the 002 is a proof coin, so 001 it is, any guess on grading would be great though just for my own knowledge.
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 Posted 03/31/2011  12:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HeadsIWin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks icandiggit! That answered my questions- Ya gotta love this forum!
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Does a doubled die need to have notching for it to be a doubled die?

Notching/split serifs are present on all doubled dies except for Class 6 doubled dies. Class 6 is characterized by extra thickness on the devices. 1943P-1DO-001 is a good example of a Class 6 with extra thickness most prominent on the date.


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Also does that mean MD has no notching?

It depends on the type of Machine Doubling. In the vast majority of cases, MD will not have any notching. It gets a bit confusing when dealing with incuse design elements because incuse Machine Doubling looks like a doubled die. Why is that? Think about how a die is made. A cylinder of tool steel is impressed on a positive design(hub) which creates a negative impression on the die. If the second hubbing of the die is not perfectly aligned with the first hubbing, there will be a design overlap, i.e. doubled die. MD is caused by movement of the die during striking. If there is a positive device on a die(incuse on the resulting coin), that movement will replicate a misalignment during the hubbing process and create an effect similar to a doubled die. Fortunately, few coins have any incuse design details and it is mainly limited to the designer initials on some of the State Quarters.
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 Posted 03/31/2011  01:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Design_Guy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Congrats, Nice find!
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never mind, just realized that the 002 is a proof coin, so 001 it is, any guess on grading would be great though just for my own knowledge.

It's nowhere near that simple. There are over 30 different doubled die reverses for 1964 cents, and careful examination would be absolutely necessary to determine which one yours is. I can tell you that it is definitely NOT 001. This doubled die has a completely different appearance and is of a different class of doubling than 001.
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When trying to determine which variety it is, does the mint mark matter since they were punched separately? for example could you have an 1964"S" mint who's variety is listed as a 1964"D" on the webster site? Just trying to get a grasp of identifying them as well, seems very tedious.
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tershaffer...no..the site will list each variety seperate for the different mints in your case. Just go to coppercoins website and do a variety search.It will allow you to narrow down the search to the date, mint mark, and obverse or reverse. You can ignore the other criteria for now.
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