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Sealing 2x2 Holders

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 Posted 04/04/2011  10:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chriscoinmaster to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am planing on not stapling mine anymore
I can switch out the coins if I find a nicer example and can easily slip the coins into plastic sheets
I am not gonna be keeping the coins out of plastic binder pages anyways so I see no reason to seal off the 1.5 X 1.5 holders in my case
I dont see that the holders will be air tight anyways so why waste the time stapling
From now on I have decided to just fold over and slide the holders into a binder that is after I write date and mm on them
to keep them in a box or something I dont see why tape would be bad
staples have the potential to scratch
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just carl are you not worried about the tape giving off gases from the adhesive?

As with items like Zip Lock Plastic bags I always contact manufacturers about their products. If they are not willing to state things like acid free, no toxic fumes to be emitted, etc., I do not use them. I found that Scotch Brand, a 3M Stationary Products Division, is very willing to discuss such topics with people. And they too assured me nothing could harm coins or foods or anything from their products.
Sort of as a joke I always like to say something like "This conversation is being recorded for safety reasons"
I do that to get even for all those companies that do that to me when I call them.
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 Posted 04/05/2011  8:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add parkay to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
just carl

That must apply to all the Scotch Brand tapes? I use Magic Tape, the invisible kind. Thank you for this information I tried finding the info on there web site but found nothing.
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 Posted 04/05/2011  8:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimineez to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
regular staples here, I open them with my fingernail when needed.
I'd like to change to the flat stapler mentioned, anyone have a link or more info on something like this? I don't have the patience to flatten each one with pliers....
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 Posted 04/05/2011  9:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ugly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
flat clinch staplers ... available at any office supply store I have found...
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 Posted 04/05/2011  9:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fuzzy317 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have a flat stapler, but I have to use pliers every so often to get the staples totally flat.
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 Posted 04/05/2011  10:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add soccerdad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My coin flips are air tight. I use 4 staples for each 1.5 x 1.5. The flat back stapler I use does not require pliers as the staples are tight and flush to the cardboard. Despite a lot of paranoia I have heard on this forum I believe 2 x 2's are excellent for long term storage. Once uncirculated coins are safely in and put in an album they will stay pristine for my life time.
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That must apply to all the Scotch Brand tapes? I use Magic Tape, the invisible kind. Thank you for this information I tried finding the info on there web site but found nothing.

For some reason many companies do not post a decent or toll free phone number on their web sites. Takes a little searching but eventually I find tham. I like to call since very little detaails of a products forulae are publicly displayed.

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My coin flips are air tight. I use 4 staples for each 1.5 x 1.5. The flat back stapler I use does not require pliers as the staples are tight and flush to the cardboard. Despite a lot of paranoia I have heard on this forum I believe 2 x 2's are excellent for long term storage. Once uncirculated coins are safely in and put in an album they will stay pristine for my life time.

Basically all true. However, why bother with a staple on the side that is a flip over of the material? Usually most dealers only staple the sides that could or would open.
And it is not so called paranoia since it you do try that test I mentioned about blowing your breath on a opening side after stapling, you would easily see those are far from ait tight.
Yet it is sort of true that they should last your life time but then too how long is that? Just kidding you know. And although many, many have no problems with a 2x2 that is stapled, there are those that say just the opposite. For me it is easier to open a taped one, no air can get to the coins if taped, cheaper to use tape, no special tools required to seal a 2x2, no possible damage to a coin when prying a staple out.
To each their own.
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 Posted 04/06/2011  4:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add soccerdad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just Carl. I recently went to a coin show in Buffalo NY. I brought both of my 1877 IHC so that I could some dealers to look at them. I was told by more than one on the dealers there that my coin flips should have 4 staples. In the past I only stapled the 3 open sides. Taking their advice I went home and put a 4th staple in the rest of my coins. Maybe it is not necessary but I like to keep all my coin flips in my books stapled the same way.
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I have found that sometimes, especially with a thinner coin, that the fourth staple is necessary to keep it from sliding into that hole. I have had more than one dark side coin shift into that area. I do not put a fourth staple in all of my 2x2s, just the ones that I think could be a problem.
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 Posted 04/06/2011  7:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NPCoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you are worried about how "air tight" it is, you could always use mylar Saflips. A TEW tish-200c impulse sealer is more than enough power to seal the flips and can be bought used for under $40. The sealer is multipurpose enough that you can use it to seal food bags amongst other things as well.

You can also purchase mylar sheet and create your own custom sealed flips for larger coins and medals. Or you can create rigid, water-proof inserts for your coin mailings. There's quite a bit you can do with an impulse sealer on hand, whether you're a collector or a dealer.
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 Posted 04/06/2011  8:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jdgarst0720 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the tip, NPCOIN.

This is a great thread for a beginner, like me. I have alway wonderd about 2x2s and packaging. I am sure it greatly varies, depending on your needs and view.
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Thanks for the tips, very informative to novices.
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 Posted 04/06/2011  11:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add matchbox to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
HA! I thought I was the only one who flattened out the staples on 2x2's!

I use 4 staples on my 2x2's. That seems to make it air tight.

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 Posted 04/07/2011  09:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Just Carl. I recently went to a coin show in Buffalo NY. I brought both of my 1877 IHC so that I could some dealers to look at them. I was told by more than one on the dealers there that my coin flips should have 4 staples. In the past I only stapled the 3 open sides.

True that many dealers do use 4. And as jbuck pointed out he has had coins move to the flipped over portion. Not sure though of what type is being mentioned though. I've always found if you use the exact size flip for a coin, they just don't move at all. Many people tend to use a Cent/Dime, Quarter/Nickel, Dollar/Half to same money on many differnt sizes so that means some coins have room to move.
Also, there are many manufacturers of those flips and some just don't close as good as otherss. At coin shows I've seen many dealers that do use 4 staples per 2x2, yet I've also seen them with 3 or even only 2 staples. Dealers for the most part usually don't want to waste money on excessive staples since they are selling coins, not preserving them for long terms. Also, I've noticed some dealers putting the staples really close to the coins and others as far from the coins as possible. Many different reasons for what anyone does.
My main concern with any amount of staples is if the coin has to be removed for any reason, it is easier, cheaper, safer to just tape all edges. I don't shake, drop, throw 2x2's so once closed, they basically stay as is until I need the coins.
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