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1921 Liberty Half Fake?

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 Posted 04/07/2011  5:25 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add misiek to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I'm thinking about buying this coin from someone in my area as part of a larger lot and this is the picture he emailed me upon request. I'm not an expert on detecting fakes but this really worries me for several reasons:

-Seems like its a weak strike
-Very shiny/ too good of a quality
-Looks sort of different when compared to the coins being sold on ebay
-It might be my eyes or maybe a smudge but it looks like one of the rays extends beyond the rim..

I have not had the coin in my hands yet but need to know if this is an obvious fake and what I should I pay attention to.
Same picture, just two different sizes. I didn't know if the first one was too small

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 Posted 04/07/2011  5:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MIKES3 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Does it have a mint mark or is it from Philadelphia?

Looks good to me, but I would see it up front before I buy. 1921 is a rare date
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 Posted 04/07/2011  5:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would be suspicious. The 9 in the date stands out since the stem seems too short. It should extend to below the left edge of the upper loop of the 9 while on this coin it ends well before it gets below that point. The center of the coin looks odd, as if Miss Liberty has put on some excess weight at the hip. The grade would appear to be in the AU range and the coin (if genuine) is worth $2000 or so. Having it certified by ANACS, NGC, or PCGS to confirm authenticity should be mandatory. See below for a photo of a genuine 1921-P graded as AU-50 by PCGS (from the Heritage website).

If the coin seems OK after close examination I would require a written guarantee of authenticity, to be confirmed by professional grading (at your expense) after you buy it.

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 Posted 04/07/2011  6:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add misiek to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is advertised as a P issue so no mintmark but I didn't ask for the reverse picture. I have major doubts about it but I'm getting a great deal on the other coins so even if this turns out to be made out of alumninum, I'll still be ahead. If it feels real in my hands I think I'm going to have to have PCGS take a look at it as it might be worth the money to have it graded/slabbed and be sure if its real.
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 Posted 04/07/2011  6:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add misiek to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's a great observation with regards to the 9. I checked out the 2 to but didn't think too much about the other numbers.
I think that might be the key giveaway as it seems evident that the lower loop doesn't even come close to the left edge of the upper loop.
This however begs the question whether or not the date was uniformly struck for this year, but something tells me when I see the coin, I'll for sure if its a fake by weighting it. It just worries me that the overall appearance of the coin in the picture seems to be unlike other 1921 P half dollars
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 Posted 04/07/2011  6:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Moe145 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would say fake. the shape of the sun on the obverse of a true Walking Liberty half appears to be almost round. The coin you're talking about seems to be almost egg-shaped.

Here's my 1921:


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 Posted 04/07/2011  6:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Moe145 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The flowing scarf tips to the left of the obverse are also not the same as Jaobler's. Check out the end flips of the scarf (top & bottom) and the little scarf tip that comes directly from the body.

I say fake.

Sorry.
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 Posted 04/07/2011  6:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add misiek to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for the help guys, much appareciated. There is too much evidence against the coins being real so I'm going to withdraw from purchasing it.
Too bad as the quality seemed really nice.

Thanks again
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 Posted 04/07/2011  8:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinstar to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
how much does he want for it?
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 Posted 04/07/2011  9:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Funny Money to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with Moe... the sun, the scarf, the date, even "In god we trust " is different.
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 Posted 04/07/2011  9:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This oldtimer casts a vote for this one being a fake. Note that the last one in the date is somewhat high. That's probably so that other 1920's dates can be more easily produced. I've seen these before; the last time being at a flea market outside Youngstown, Ohio. The dealer had both a P+D; same look and grade as this one. To his credit, he was savvy and honest, having them on display for collectors to be wary. I bought some real coins from him that day ... good deals, and my way of giving him a pat on the back.

One method of peddling these copies is to put them in an album or in a page, alongside legitimate coins. Seeing this, the buyer is more likely to believe that he's getting a deal when, in reality, he's the one getting hooked.
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 Posted 04/07/2011  9:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add vanbroj to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have the same observation as ExoGuy as far as the last One in the date being too high.
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 Posted 04/07/2011  10:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I haven't heard anything about a price here yet. That too might be tip off that the seller knows if real or not. I noticed you said someone in your area and not someone you know. When it comes to buying or selling coins you should be carefull of who you talk to and/or mention you collect coins in your area if you do not really know them. Maybe not in this case but someone pretending to be from your area and selling coins could also be trying to find out who has a coin collection. So you don't buy this one but he now knows you and that you collect coins.
Of course my statements of those situations are based on the area I live where crime runs rampant. By me everyone plays like they are broke, have nothing of value, can't afford anything, etc.
Better to be safe than sorry.
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 Posted 04/07/2011  10:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add misiek to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the responses, I know a little about spotting fakes, alterations, AT, and so on but only the basics that apply to every series and just general guidelines. I know individual series' have their own thing to look for but it's just too much for me to go after. That's why I appreciate all the help from you guys. As far as the price goes, lets just say that I would get a good deal buying the lot without the 1921 Half Dollar, so I was hoping for a steal if it turned out real but unfortunately after seeing the picture all sorts of red flags arose.

After that dissection of the coin though I feel like a complete amateur for missing all the signs.
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 Posted 04/07/2011  10:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 50cents to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fake!
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 Posted 04/08/2011  5:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Funny Money to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If this one is fake, are you sure the others are genuine?
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