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1922-D "No D" (Just A Question)

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These are grease-filled errors, right? Either that, or they simply forgot to punch in the mint mark, or punched it in too weakly? That is to say, these aren't polishing errors, as, how does one polish off an incused design? I'm just asking, as I still hear people referring to these as "polishing errors," from time to time.
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As far as I understand there are 3 known die pairs responsible for the creation of the "no D" cents.

Die pair #2 is the only one believed to have been never punched with a mintmark in the first place

Die pairs #1 and #3 are sometimes referred to as "weak D" since it is believed that they originally had a mintmark, but it was mostly obliterated due to wear, polishing, filling, or any combination thereof.

It is very possible for the incuse devices on the die to be removed by polishing. When a die is polished, it wears down and the devices become more shallow. Higher details can become mushy, and lower devices can be completely obliterated. (a good example is Buffalo nickels with a 3 legged buffalo or Indian missing the 3rd feather)
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That's very helpful, I hadn't thought of a lot of that. Mucho thanks. I didn't know that was the theory on #2, either.
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Not only what has been explained but one more reason for those is kids deleting the D on them. I know when I was a kid we used to do that all the time. Although we were just kids we did know what coins people looked for for value. Another one we did was to erase part of a 4 on a 1944D Lincoln Cent to make a 1914D. There are lots of coins out there that people think are real and just messed with by kids.
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There are four different die pairs that can either can be a
no D, missing D, or weak D.

With out having to type all this information again, let me post one
of the link that have discussed this in the past.

Also you can do a search for 1922 no D, it will show several different discussions on this subject.

http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...PIC_ID=67608

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Truth be known, there is evidence out there in very capable hands that NONE of the 1922 "no D" cent dies ever started out with NO mintmark on them. They ALL began life as normal 1922D cent dies. I just wish he had published the information and made his findings widely available. It might have once and for all crushed the stupid money people are spending on them.

And no, I am not going to name him.
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the 1922 no D is one variety I will probably never get. Online they go from $750 to $6250. IMHO I can find many other uses for the $$$$. Maybe a 1937-D 3-leg Buffalo nickel, or a down payment on a 1856 Flying Eagle cent.
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We understand. The forces that market these things would be coming after this guy like he was the Devil, himself.

Chuck, then we chalk these things up to the various types of work on the dies that are commonplace and that we all happen to be familiar with? I'd suppose so.
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If the 1922 no D had started its life without a D mintmark there were be sharp early did state coins known with no mintmark. Even the MS no D coins are ALL from a mushy worn late state obv die. It would have taken a lot of production to wear the die out that much and if the die had never had a mintmark where are all the early die state "P" coins?
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