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1917 Lincoln - Grade Please

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With the price of silver up, I was able to trade some for this 1917. Unfortunately, my photography skills are still behind. Coin has more red on the surfaces. Will not grade Red, but should grade RB.

Thanks for your input.

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 Posted 05/01/2011  11:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Indian1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You do not see many 17's in that condition. That's a nice coin.
The obverse has sharp device details. The reverse technically (because of the lower wheat stalk areas) should be a high AU. But that may be just die state/punch also. But depending on how they grade (overall or worse side gets it) it could go either way.
Adding the fact that I would call it RB (you can still see the overall
percentage of red left in those pics.) I'm guessing much more so in hand. That factor and the date of the coin should get you an Unc. I'm a bugger though so I would say AU58. But today a 60 might be the call. Maybe higher ? Just my humble opinion anyway. A keeper either way.
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 Posted 05/02/2011  05:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SHAFTA9a to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
AHH.. A beautiful early Lincoln.

I agree you don't see many 1917's in that condition, I would give it MS-63RB.
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 Posted 05/02/2011  05:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rsxtacee to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great acquisition! I'd say AU58-MS62
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 Posted 05/02/2011  06:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Awesome Wally to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Without seeing the correct color, I will take your word on the RB and give it an MS62RB. Are the spots on the coin or the holder?
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 Posted 05/02/2011  06:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd guess 63rb. there's a big jump at 64, so that must be where they start getting picky.
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 Posted 05/02/2011  6:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add acloco to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Try #2 on pictures. Nothing but natural lighting.

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Nice details on the coin for sure. The photos show some lines all headed in the same direction, which usually means the coin has been lightly cleaned. Unfortunately lots of the early lincolns are that way. It could just be the photos though. Off of what I see I'd say AU58 details "cleaned". There is a small amount of wear on the ear and wheats.
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Gosh, that's so close! And, I do see those lines. I'll go MS-63, wiped. Very market acceptable, though.
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MS-63, and I hope that isn't a wipe...
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In hand, this is a nice coin (not because I bought it either). To me, either a coin is, or it isn't...no matter the owner.

Interesting on what we pick up on the high resolution pictures and blown up in size a bit. :) (which is a good thing)
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Interesting on what we pick up on the high resolution pictures and blown up in size a bit.
Good point. I'll plead guilty to that. At least you know, though, that we're most likely judging the coin harsher than it ought to be judged.
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eddiespin - and that is exactly why we do what we do!

I traded a little bit of 90% silver for the coin. VERY happy with the trade.

Wish my photography skills and setup would allow capturing the red that is on this coin. It will not go RD in grade, but will grade as RB.
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Too much light is getting to the camera. Try backing off the light and/or turning down the camera exposure. It's cutting through the patina. The coin appears yellowish/brassy and cleaned, but I don't think it is. That's just what happens when there's too much light.

It's pretty hard to grade a coin on the border of AU and MS....even with perfect pictures. However, the 1917's are usually very detailed (portrait) in MS grades since the master dies were new in 1916. That helps us in grading.

Evidence of slight rub on both sides and the rims look like it too. Some of the beard details are missing. ONE CENT shows too much rub for an MS coin. The wheatlines are slightly rounded and the wheat grains show rub. I think the coin is AU-55/58.
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Thanks BadThad - will speed up the exposure time.
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me, I grade it WLGIMD -



WLGIMD=would look good in my dansco.
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