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Bedrock of the Community
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*** Moved by Staff to a more appropriate forum. ***Here is a replica 1908s IHC. The camera and sunlight worked together just right to show the porosity of this replica. You can see how the letters and design all have a micro-bumpy surface to them. This is an easy way to tell most counterfeits. Be warned though that this picture may be deceiving! Because when you are holding this little item in hand, you could swear it is real! The angle of the sun for this pic was just right. Even in direct sunlight you probably will need a magnifying glass to detect any of the newest Chinese replicas.   Zoom in on this if you want to see it closer - it is even more obvious. BTW - no charge for the cat hair extending from the Indian's nose! 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Thanks for the information. Can you tell me under what circumstances did you obtain this coin?
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Bedrock of the Community
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Back when this guy was on ebay, just like my local coin dealer did, I ordered some. I hated the thought of encouraging the guy, but I am a visual learner and knew the only way I would be able to make sure I did not get taken was to get some of these in hand. I ordered a variety of them from Canada and US including a replica gold 10.00 Eagle; a couple copper cents (small from US and Canada & a large Canada); a couple different US and Canada nickels; a fake silver dime, quarter, half, and 1804 dollar. I then bit the bullet (knowing I would have no way of proving the quality of them) and ordered 2 silver coins. one was a 1799 US $ and a Canada 1948 dollar. I have been a teacher for 20+ years. My interest in all this has been research and sharing the knowledge. Do a search and you will find I have posted a list of the fake Canadian coins I am aware of; some pics of the fake silver 1799; the 1948 dollar; the 3-legged buffalo; the 1925, "far 6," and 1944 Tombac Canada nickels; and a 1908s IHC; and plan to do more as time permits and I get a chance to take some pics and post. How much squash could a Sasquatch squash if a Sasquatch would squash squash? Download and read: Grading the graders Costly TPG ineptitude and No FG Kennedy halveshttps://ln5.sync.com/dl/7ca91bdd0/w...i3b-rbj9fir2 |
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Bedrock of the Community
Canada
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Earle42...I would like to say.. you are a great help to the members of this Forum..  To, knowingly buy 'fake' coins and explain to the Forum is just commendable.. |
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If I am correct I believe this is what Rich Snow in his book on FE & IHC refers to as spark erosion counterfeiting (transferring an image of a real coin to a die by an electric current, resulting in tiny pits on the die and thus bumps on the counterfeit coin). One telltale sign is the mintmark on the 1908-09s counterfeits. The 's' appears to be much fatter in the counterfeit. Your photo really points this out. From one Pennsylvanian to another thanks again for the photo and your effort in exposing counterfeits. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I wonder how many such coins have been sold as the real thing? I wouldn't be surprized at all if many collectors and even dealers have been fooled by many of such fakes. This one really looks nice and could easily sell at some coin shows where the lighting might not be the best. And even with good lighting, such coins could be mistaken for just poor minting way back over 100 years now.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Great pics! At first glance, I thought it was a spark erosion copy too. As said, the coin lacks definition. Look at the denticles--you won't see them this weak on an "MS-grade" IHC.  The "S" is too crude. It probably goes without saying: the 08-S and 09-S should only be bought slabbed. |
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Thanks for all the kind words from everyone. I really do appreciate it. Also having been a teacher for 20 years sort of puts me in a spot since research and teaching are part of my DNA structure - I cannot help it! just carl said: Quote:
I wonder how many such coins have been sold as the real thing? I wouldn't be surprized at all if many collectors and even dealers have been fooled by many of such fakes. This one really looks nice and could easily sell at some coin shows where the lighting might not be the best. And even with good lighting, such coins could be mistaken for just poor minting way back over 100 years now. I think a good deal may have been passed but have nothing to back this up with other than recently someone posted a pic of a Barber dime on ebay and, after seeing these Chinese fakes first hand, I could tell the ebay image showed some of the pitting. These piece DO look real even in normal lighting without magnification. My coin dealer and I had a talk about the 32 D & S quarters recently. As he said, you could put one of these fakes into an album and easily have it pass as legit. But a magnifying glass would tell otherwise. I hope to get the pics of these up soon also. Personally, and for now, I think a 10X loupe is really all you need. As to the gold Eagle I got - the color is all wrong and the details are bad. I do not think if it was gold plated it would be any good either just from lack of detail. Again, I hope to be able to post this soon also. I also agree with the comments on spark corrosion method. |
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United States
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I used to be a die cutter forJosten's. At the time we cut all of our dies on a Pantograph and we made all of our own cutters. In the late 70's they began cutting some dies on an EDM (electrical discharge machining). One of the problems with EDM dies was the rough finish surface. We had guys that smoothed out the dies and removed cutter grooves and other problems, and the EDM dies took a lot of work to clean them up.
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United States
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When did these fake chinese coins start to circulate. I have plenty of raw 08s IHP and none look like the fake you posted. All my raw 08s came from reputable dealers. ebay I woukdnt buy any key date coins unless slabbed. TY for the picture of the fake. |
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spark corrosion What? |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Thanks for sharing, it is a very good deceptive counterfeit with the naked eye. Even a basic 10x/20x loupe is essential, the lack of fine detail on the feathers and stripes across the shield under magnification make the fake obvious for what is supposed to be a 'uncirculated' coin. Mods should create an area for Counterfeit Detection if there isn't one already. |
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Posted 05/18/2011 4:50 pm
