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8 Reales 1733 "Klippe" Fake Or Not

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 Posted 06/06/2011  6:53 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Gonzalo de Sandoval to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello again....

Well this is a 8 reales "klippe" coin, it weights 26.4 grams.

Is it genuine or fake?

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Thank you
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06/06/2011 7:01 pm
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 Posted 06/08/2011  2:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MathieuMa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks fine to me. I wonder what the holes on the shield side are - and considering the reverse damages, this looks like an ex-mounted coin.

I'm looking for a nice klippe since a while now :) Still searching (last heritage and aureo auctions didn't had any).
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 Posted 06/10/2011  4:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add realeswatcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I really haven't studied klippes as much as cobs or even portrait 8R (out of my usual price range, though I've almost pulled the trigger on a few so-so sea-salvaged pieces)... From what I've looked at, the piece looks legit. The surfaces are certainly that of a struck piece, not a "cast"... There are a few die cracks and some roughness in the legends (e.g., around "ARVM" of "HISPANIARVM"), but looking at the overall surfaces, I would chalk that up to striking issues. Also, you bought it from a quality dealer... and not that this means anything at all, but I haven't seen any high-quality fakes of these like I've seen with cobs and pillar 8R.

Could you post some decent photos of the edge? Just want to see if they look as they should (though at 26.4g, this "klippe" might have been "clipped" a bit in circulation).

The one interesting feature is that on the cross side, there's a rather pronounced inverted mirroring of the shield side (die clash?). I had never seen this b4 on a klippe... in searching a little bit, I find a piece that Heritage auctioned a few years back that shows something similar (see below).

That price wasn't a bargain, I'd say, considering it does has condition issues (the small drill marks, plus the scratching along the cross spoke)... However, it is a fairly nice grade (granted, most are), has nice centering, and non-salvaged klippes that aren't fully holed and/or have the Guatemala C/M are somewhat hard to find.

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 Posted 06/10/2011  6:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gonzalo de Sandoval to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok here are some pics of the edge, the second one is the straightest side of the edge and in the third one there“s the crack of the coin.

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HMMMM ... Sedwick has to re-evaluate these so-called casts <BG>.
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 Posted 04/14/2012  4:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MathieuMa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What do you mean ?
I was watching and did bid on the klippe he and on sell, but it went too high again ... (I missed the Ponterio one as well - which was superb)
I still don't have a nice one :)
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