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Estate Valuation - Need Advice

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My son's father passed away a couple of weeks ago and he has told me that he really would like his father's coins. They consist of AU Morgans (I can't remember how many he had but I think it was around 50 or so) and a 1952 proof set. His two half siblings are adults (my son is only 11 so this really stinks) and I am on very good terms with them. I would like to go ahead and buy them out of their share and am trying to figure out the best way to come up with a fair price for the coins. I am thinking about suggesting we take them to a dealer, have them graded and then use either Coinvalues or Numismedia to price them. I know those sites tend to be rather optimistic when it comes to pricing but I have no objection to paying that price since one of the siblings could really use the money and it would really be paying 2/3's of those prices. His father did not have a will so everything will eventually be divided three ways.

I only suggest taking to a dealer for grading because I really want to make sure there is nothing that will spoil my relationship with my step children. Any advice is welcomed.
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 Posted 06/19/2011  10:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GoThunder to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's one solution my accountant used for a similar situation with gold coins, he had a little private auction with the heirs in his office for each coin. High bidder takes each coin (or lot) with the money then split equally. With 50 coins you might group them into lots of 5 or something.
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I think the dealer option is a good way to go.
Try to catch a local dealer when he is not to busy
and ask for what he would give you for the coins.
Tell the dealer you may or may not be selling them
depending on the price and what the three children may work out.

Most common Morgan dollars are selling in the low $20.00 ranges.
Unless they are mid to higher grade uncirculated coins.

I am thinking 50 Morgan dollars will sell for at least $1100.00
The 52 proof set will depend on condition

So if the total that the dealer will give you in in the $1300.00 to $1500.00
the giving the other two children $400 to $500 each would be fair.
Of course you may want to sell some of the lower grade common morgans
to offset the amount you would pay out .. and just keep most or the best coins.

Again .. if the condition of the Morgans are better than silver value .. all these
numbers would not be right .. But a dealer would be your best start.

What I am getting at, is you don't want to split "buy" prices .. you would want to
split "sell" prices. Sell prices are what they are worth right now
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I was at my coin dealers' shop a few months back. A couple came in with over 70 pounds of silver that their uncle, who just passed away, had hidden in a large cooler. They asked my dealer, Mike, for an estimate. They were happy and sold Mike the silver, and the check went to the estate to be split amongst the family.

I'm sure you can do something similar. Like you mentioned, just give a 1/3 of the estimated value to each of the other two children. And I would bring those two adult children along on the trip to a coin shop. I would also slide the dealer a reasonable sum relative to the time it takes him/her in giving an estimate, since you won't be selling him the coins. Maybe they won't take it, but I'd still offer.
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Yeah the dealer estimate is the way to go. Also letting him know that he has the opportunity to purchase them should result in a true wholesale estimate. Then split up the estimate if you want them or sell them to the dealer if you don't. You would always get a better price selling them individually at a flea market than you would selling to a dealer. The grade of each coin means a lot as do the year and mint mark.
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Most common Morgan dollars are selling in the low $20.00 ranges.


I would take out a loan to buy any amount of Morgan dollars offered to me in the "low $20.00 range." There are over 20,000 Morgans currently available on ebay via Buy It Now, and the cheapest of them is almost $35 shipped. Given the current price of silver, the melt value of a Morgan stands at about $28 today.

I'd say that the "base" value of a Morgan today is about $35, for all but coins worn to obliteration. AU coins won't carry much of a premium excepting for notable rarities/varieties.

CoinsKelly, understanding that you're not out to achieve the "best possible price" but to do something fair by *all* of your children, I think a lot price of about $2000 for 50 Morgans would do right by everyone. I suspect that the dealer evaluation (as you've concluded, absolutely the right thing to do here) will come in somewhat lower.

Now, the caveats: First, counterfeits are known with Morgan issues. There's a non-zero chance (greater with the "key" dates) that one or more may be found among your group. Second, Morgans are collected by variety. It's possible that among these may be coins which have additional value (possibly considerable additional value), but it would be a strenuous bit of research to make this determination for all of them.

Might it be possible for you to create a quick listing of dates/mint marks for us, so we could inform you of any which might warrant further attention? This would be useful for your son's future collecting interest, as well as ensuring fairness in the transaction with the stepchildren.

I'll give you a few "immediate attention required" issues:

Any "CC" mint mark

Any of years 1893, 1894, 1895

1878 Philadelphia ( no mint mark) with 8 tailfeathers instead of the normal 7

The first two are of interest because demand/rarity gives them premium pricing. The 1878 8TF's have many varieties which carry large premiums even in circulated grades.
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the good thing about buying the others out is you do not have to come up with 100% of the value of the coins, you only have to come up with 2/3 of the value to purchase them for your son that is the other 3rd. These other siblings may not even want the coins or may allow you to pay on a payment plan because your son has shown interest in the coins his father had. The good thing about a Morgan, the more you have the better the chances there are at least a couple that is some good VAM's that will add some value to the coins. And if you have to sell some to gather some money you can sell the better VAM's to purchase the rest of the lot since he just wants the coins because they were his fathers not because of what they are. I know this is not a great option but if you can sell 3 to purchase the other 47 it would be better than having to sell 20 of them to be able to purchase the other 30. I really hope it doesn't come to having to sell any of them I am just thinking on a worst case scenario


Edit: I guess I should have read all of SuperDave's post before going through the whole VAM scenario, I should have known SD would had already covered this base in his post
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CoinsKelley you may also be entitled to a portion of the collection.(or) The coins are personal property and would pass to you 100% in most states. You need to check the laws. If the coins are sold there may also be some tax liabilities. It may be necessary to keep records for a tax basis on each coin if/when sold in the furture.

Good Luck
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I would be up front with the dealer and tell him that you need the estimate for estate purposes and that you are not looking to sell them. Be willing to pay for the appraisal since you are using his time. This removes any temptation to lowball the estimate with the hopes of getting a very profitable buy. You should also have the option of requesting either a wholesale or a retail appraisal.
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Thank you everyone - I am not quite sure how we will do it but your advice has been helpful. There are two coin dealers I purchase from regularly and I will contact them to see if they have the time to help with this. I will definitely be totally upfront with them and find out what the fee would be. I was not clear earlier that I am divorced from his father (we stopped calling each other ex's since it just sounded yucky) so all this will be for the kids. I am confident that making sure everyone is involved, we can make sure this does not cause any problems.
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