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HI all,


Im looking for a Morgan dollar expert here. I have a few 1921 Mint state Morgans in my collection with the same duobleing on both S's in the word states on the reverse. Heres a pic of what the "S,s" LOOK LIKE. I sat and spent hours looking threw 200 1921s P,S&S and found about 7. Also they all have the same marks on the arrows? Is this a known VAM or type? if so what one?


http://s93.photobucket.com/albums/l...ch=imgAnch20


http://s93.photobucket.com/albums/l...ch=imgAnch18

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well you have come to the right place, we have some morgan people that all they collect is 1921 Morgan VAM's so I am sure you will get your answer soon
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I can tell you that the last picture looks like a 1921-P and if it is it is a VAM-1A, the S on the first picture looks like Mechanical Doubling to me
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Next question. I will have to dig them out of the safe again, when I do. Do you think that I should bother getting them slabbed? there all in MS 61 to MS 63 condition. Also thanks for writen me back. For the Phillys are there any other tell tail marks should look for?
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well, there are alot of VAM's in the Morgan series, some bring premiums and some dont. The best thing to do is photo each coin and look at each coin and if you see anything like a die crack, doubling or anything at all no matter how minor try and zero in on those parts as well and I think about every Morgan collector here collects by VAM so someone here will be able to help you identify what you have. I would definately want to know what I had before I sent them off to be slabbed so the TPG can go ahead and label it as what VAM it is while it is there
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Thanks. I actaully I have abot 20 1921s different mints with die cracks in them. I will go throught them again in the morning ou think. Thank you again for help.
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Both of those features you depicted are common on 1921's. They're characteristic of the 17-berry D1 reverse used on 1921P's, the first reverse used. I'm the local 1921 Morgan fanatic. I will be waiting with suppressed glee for the pics to be posted - I'm on vacation this week and I've got a lot of free time.

Die cracks abound on Morgans, and 1921's are no exception. Most of those are not attributed as specific VAM's. The interesting ones are those on which the die crack expands into a break. Don't let this stop you from posting whatever you want - I will happily suck all the pics into my Black Hole of 1921 Morgans database.

Edit: Oh, yeah - MS61-63 1921's are generally not worth the expense of slabbing. If we come across a significant VAM, that opinion could change quickly. Some have never been seen in Mint State.
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be sure you dont show a picture of any VAM-1X and you and SuperDave will get along just fine! I would love to be able to help you on these coins but I collect on the other end of the Morgans, I collect 1878 Morgan VAM's (the first Morgans) and Dave collects 1921 VAM's (the last Morgans) and we have various others that are anywhere in between those dates so we can usually get anyone with a Morgan question covered
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I got a few 1878's and 79's in my colection as well. I actually have at least one of each year except the mid 90s. Oh hey want a laugh I saw a 1905 Morgan on ebay to day .. I was in ow. lol ofcurse you and I both know thats not even close to real. But it was a first for me.
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it was probably from China or a surrounding country, I have seen a 1922 Morgan but cant say I have ever seen a 1905. I think they just make them over there without even doing any research at all to see what dates the coins were actually minted before they try to make fake ones
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Oh yeah,, I have seen tons of completely messed up coins from china. I have some that came with a collection I bought out a few years ago. I got one With a walking lib half dollar odverse and a ASE reverse lol. crazy chinamen.
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Heres a link/pic of a die crack rnning accross a 21p morgan. Thought maybe some one would like to see it. Also All those morgans I have with those marking from the first postt. are all Phillys SO I'm assuming there all
17-berry D1 reverse's
As for this pic of the die crack. It took my a little bit of photoshop to work the pics together becuase m microscope could get just the whole date. So as you can see in this ic I have to overlap a few shots. Its a nice crack. I have others that run almost all the way around the reverse of the coins.

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that die crack looks pretty significant and SuperDave may be able to tell you something from this die crack alone but since 1921's are not my forte I cant really help you on this one
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