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Congress (Over)reacts To $1 Coin Hoard

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From the Daily Coin Collecting News:

http://news.coinupdate.com/congress...-coin-hoard/

I wonder what the odds are the Congress could actually get together and pass this? I think it is a waste that we're producing these and they don't circulate, but I think the solution is obvious to most folks, just apparently not the members of Congress - stop making the dollar bill.

Probably no need to worry - they can't get their act together to solve real problems, so I doubt that this goes very far. I saw recently that they are re-debating the bill that was passed several years ago to eliminate the flourescent light bulb. And we elect these clowns!
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 Posted 07/24/2011  09:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Freedom to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would rather have the $1.00 bill instead of the coin. Every coin they have tried to release for the $1.00 bill has failed miserably. Maybe someday they can get
a hint.
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Yes but it will save the Gov't money to make coins than bills because coins circulate longer whereas bills last for a few years.
It's not about the design of the coin, but about the usefulness.
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Like the cent and nickel, the dollar note needs to go bye-bye. Canada made the intelligent decision, why can't the U.S.?
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Those bills were just introduced and haven't even been sent to their various subcommittees yet. Unless it's some sort of emergency, or the hobby-horse of a powerful political lobby, bills like that take years to worm their way through congress, get amended, get attached to other bills, get removed, get changed, are subjected to hearings, public feedback, and so on.

By the end of it, it'll be an amendment to an AG subsidy bill mandating that the manganese content of the coins be increased by 2% and the that copper content must be purchased from mines in Nevada.
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Yes but it will save the Gov't money to make coins than bills because coins circulate longer whereas bills last for a few years.
It's not about the design of the coin, but about the usefulness.


You make a valid point. Congress created the two dollar bill, where did it go? Nobody uses them, nor, apparently even entertains the idea of using them. Instead of wasting millions on these stupid coins, keep it the way it is and in 5 years do away with the penny. It will save millions right there.

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You can bet which ever senator has the paper mill that makes the $1 bills in his district will fight to the end to save the jobs and tax money. I know the other denominations will still be made but some jobs would surly be lost cutting out the $1 bill. Until they can get him and his buddies to vote the $1 out it may not happen. You know how it works,you vote for me I vote for you,but if you don't vote my way me and my friends won't help you next time. It's not about doing what is right for the country, it's about looking good in your district to get re-elected.
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I like how they said it cost 3.65 million to transport and store the coins but never said about the 700 Million they just spent building a new warehouse to put them in as the old ones are filled up.

I say either stop making them or stop making the dollar bill one or the other does not matter to me, although my President dollar albums will never be full if they stop making them but will not be the end of the world.
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Stop making the dollar bill?

So we like the idea of our elected officials to be able to force the US people into using something the majority of people in the States have overwhelmingly rejected (as portrayed in the news article)? Why is this a good thing?
1. B/c it saves money...

Oops...
Some research will show it is NOT taxpayer money that funds the mints. So no taxpayer money is wasted. Minting and printing are a profitable business which pays for itself many times over.

They are our elected officials that are supposed to do the will of the majority. We have clearly said N-O. It is up to them to listen to us since they are supposed to be working for[/] us[/] - [u][b]not dictating to us! Why are we clamoring for the government to coerce us against our collective will?

2. B/c other countries use them successfully and like them...
Oops...
Canada had them rammed down their throats and the initial reaction/acceptance was not good. Retailers took advantage of the situation by raising the pricetag on everything b/c he dollar coin was relegated to the position of pocket change.
I have been told by quite a few banks in Canada that they do not like exchanging the dollar coins coins b/c the cost of shipping metal in to be exchanged for larger bills is a whole lot more than shipping in small denomination paper bills.

The result is the little people get stuck with too many in their pockets. The Two dollar coin was made and helped alleviate the carrying around of so much pocket change. Except you still have more change in your pocket after using the Toonies.

This info comes to me from being very much associated with Canadians and Canada all of my life. This is not just my opinion.

We need to learn from countries that have gone to a dollar coin to see what the truth about it is and ignore our personal feelings about the coins. We also need to be thankful that our government has not yet been oppressive enough to force us to their whims (in this area).

What next - start cheering the government on to force restaurants into serving only vegetarian meals?

BTW - I actually don't hate the dollar coins. I just have seen what will happen and do not like the ramifications. How I initially came to understand all of this was by (on trips where I was visiting my Canadian friends)stopping at banks just to get some of their half dollars and dollar coins b/c I liked them!


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Anecdotes are not evidence. It's hardly tyranny for the government to choose the form of circulating currency with an eye toward saving money or some other practical purpose. When they changed the color of the money, did they give you a choice? I'm sure if they did there would be people up in arms saying "Damned if I'm gonna use a pink $50 bill!"

With everybody hung up on the deficit, even going after silly nickel and dime things, it makes sense to try to save money by switching over completely to the dollar coin. Yes, I know printing money doesn't "cost" money because it makes a profit. But dollar coins would make a bigger profit than dollar bills because of their durability. Either way, it's a net move in the right direction.

We have a representative democracy because practical governance is impossible with direct democracy. If every single thing was up for "majority rules" things would be even more messed up than they already are.
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Umm, for starters, our representatives are not their to do the "will of the majority". That socialist majority rules democracy crap is for the birds. That's where 51% get to legally rape and pillage the other 49%. Where 1/3 of the population gets voted into slavery by the other 2/3 of the population. This country is was a Constitutional Republic. Now were not, and look at the mess were in...

But I digress.

Can you quote a source that shows where the treasury dept. is making money from printing paper notes like the mint is from minting coins? I'm not saying your wrong, I honestly don't know, so I ask.

Even that has to be taken with a grain of salt. A specific dept. may or may not run a profit. But the other government depts. involved in the process may not. So on a whole, what is the whole cost to the government?

Even the government admits it is more economical to issue dollar coins than dollar notes for circulation...
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Can you quote a source that shows where the treasury dept. is making money from printing paper notes like the mint is from minting coins? I'm not saying your wrong, I honestly don't know, so I ask.


On this I have to claim ignorance on a specific website b/c when I spent about quite a few hours (multiple times) recently reading up on this very topic. I simply started with a Google search of "cost to make a $1 bill." and went from there. The last time looking into this I visited many sites in the 2+hours (yes I have a lot of time on my hands to do things like this).

The main gist of what I gleaned was that money making (bills and coin) is a profit making business - search for the term "seigniorage" on this forum as this was discussed not too long ago on CCF.

Also - if I have made a mistake in this, please point it out to me. I am weird in that I would rather know the truth than care if I am right or wrong on any subject.

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Also - if I have made a mistake in this, please point it out to me. I am weird in that I would rather know the truth than care if I am right or wrong on any subject.


Taking a look at the production figures for 2010 alone and the estimates given by the BEP, we see that 1,856,000,000 $1 notes were produced that year. Now, if 95% of notes are printed simply for purposes of replacing defunct currency, that means that the BEP is only introducing 5% of its production as new currency. If we conclude that the government (somehow) "makes" $1 for every note that is introduced into the economy, then $92.8 million was "made" in 2010.

The overall cost per note, however, is 9.6 cents per note. Now, we can say, "Wow! The government introduced $92.8 million at a cost of only $8.9 million...that's $83.9 million profit!" But, we must determine the cost of all of the $1 notes produced. At a production of 1,856,000,000 notes, we have an overall cost of $178,176,00! That is the cost to introduce only $92,800,000 into the economy.

That's a cost of $1.92 for every new $1 introduced! That's as bad as the one cent coin! Something to think about...


You can see all of the figures at the BEP website at http://moneyfactory.gov/uscurrency/...figures.html
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Only in America, having a hard time doing basic things that us Aussies don't even think about.
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I am thinking that they could take all the new dollar coins and GIVE them away equally to all citizens as an economic stimulus, LOL
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