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I just got my latest batch of coins back from Anacs. A 1932-D in the group came back in the original flip I sent it in with "Not Genuine. Struck Copy." in the comment section. I posted pics of this quarter in the grading section a while ago. That discussion can be found here: https://goccf.com/t/89699&SearchTerms=1932-DThe reason I sent this coin in was to be sure it was authentic. I'm not surprised it's a fake but am totally surprised they called it a struck copy. I would have expected added mint mark or altered date. I just weighed it & it comes in at 6.1 grams. This coin came from an estate collection I bought a few months ago. I'm fairly certain that the older coins in the collection were put together between the late 50's & early 70's, which would make it an older copy. Any comments?   |
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Not surprised, the fields appear very questionable from the pictures.
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It does not look "right" to me, is it not even 90%? The hair looks too good and the motto is too light. The "D" mint mark looks out of place, too bold and sharp. Tough break though.
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08/12/2011 3:45 pm
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I am surprised this is a struck copy. I usually only hear of added mintmarks. Looking at the mintmark, it does look a bit strange because if I recall correctly a genuine mintmark is bold and boxy. I wonder if this is struck on silver or some other metal. The coin just does not have the look of other silver quarters that I have seen.
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From the pictures it does not really look silver. Any idea if it is?
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Yeah, something looks off on this coin. Does not appear to be silver either.
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Yeah, has that cheap metal look to it.
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The diameter is right & weight is within .15 gram of spec so less than 2% off. In hand it appears to be silver & it makes the right noise when dropped. I'm out of silver test solution so I can't confirm. Keep in mind the background is a white paper towel so the coin is lighter than it appears in this photo. I'm not a numismatic expert but this isn't my first rodeo either......I wouldn't have sent it in if it didn't convincingly appear to be silver.
I sent this one in thinking the surfaces had been messed with(whizzed or environmental damage) & that it possibly had an added mint mark. The big surprise for me wasn't that it was counterfeit.....it's the struck copy designation.
IMO the important point is that this coin is evidence that counterfeiting of coins with numismatic value is not a recent phenomenom.
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it looks like a fake
Very sketchy looking qualities to it
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You are lucky that the ( D ) didn't fall off when you dropped the coin on the table
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OP, I get where you are coming from and this does raise a little concern. Heres what I'm thinking, If this collection was put together when you said or think it was then what would of been the reason for making a "Struck Copy" of this coin back then. Was the profit margin for this coin back then the same as today? Would it have been worth it back then? I am not a Super Duper Numismatist so if I sound stupid please excuse my avg Joe thinking  |
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The surface does look like microscopic pitting is on it. The process at that time ( and long before) was spark erosion die production, and it left a similar effect. Such a coin could be made from a 1932P obverse and any more common D reverse, and a 1932D wouldn't have to be used The mint mark would appear different from the original, but 30+ years ago, there wasn't near as much info on die pairs and diagnostic marks available for the average collector.
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I'll just throw my Two Cents in, too, and say that it just doesn't look 'right.' It almost has that fake chinese coin look to it. |
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what would of been the reason for making a "Struck Copy" of this coin back then. Was the profit margin for this coin back then the same as today? Would it have been worth it back then? Quote:
The surface does look like microscopic pitting is on it. The process at that time ( and long before) was spark erosion die production, and it left a similar effect. Such a coin could be made from a 1932P obverse and any more common D reverse, and a 1932D wouldn't have to be used The mint mark would appear different from the original, but 30+ years ago, there wasn't near as much info on die pairs and diagnostic marks available for the average collector. This is the type of discussion I was looking for. On first inspection the tiny black dots on the coin looked like toning, close inspection under magnification revealed very slight surface imperfections....which led me to believe environmental damage or corrosion. I've got no idea what it would take to make a die so don't have any idea if it would have been profitable to do so 30 or more years ago. |
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Thats actually a good copy. The D lloks just fine. Even on genuine coins, the mintmark stands out...  Thats just a G4 and you can see that the D is raised. The mint mark is not off, I see nothing else on here that screams fake. By that pic, I would have said genuine. Obviously I am missing something here. |
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I agree. Now that he clarified that it did not look silver due to the picture, I would be very surprised if it was not genuine. The few dozen fakes I have seen have the '2', 'D', 'R' in DOLLAR, or the tail feather boldness wrong.
Do the surface imperfections cover the whole coin or just a small area?
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Posted 08/12/2011 2:49 pm
