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Any News On 25th Anniversary ASE Set?

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 Posted 11/12/2011  12:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Anyone notice how the tray that the coins are on, can be sat up. Displaying the coins upright. When I lifted the tray out and saw the side closest to you, was cut on an angle. I realized they made it so it turned into a nice display as well.
Nice little bonus!

There is also magnets in both sides of that area and in the case there also which makes it stand up. I mentioned this earlier in this thread
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 Posted 11/12/2011  12:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ilikeikes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As far as proof strikes, the numbers I have seen are dies can produce roughly 2,500-3,000 coins, before retouching or some repolishing needed to adjust for wear.. one thing you don't read a lot about around here is the Die State...I would rather have a true very early die state coin, with blemishes, than a later die state coin near-perfect anyday...when you read the rarity numbers, VEDS coins are usually the true collector coins, due to exceptional crispness of strike details and reflectivity..if interested in more about Die States, google "Del Romine--Die State Tables", and the numbers will start to make sense why our near-perfect coins are so scarce...
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 Posted 11/12/2011  12:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DNA to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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dies can produce roughly 2,500-3,000 coins

I wonder if this number is even lower for the Reverse Proof.
They may have run through a ton of dies in 2006,
explaining why the 2011 Set was limited to 100,000 mintage.

One of my Reverse Proofs has a small die break by the "B" in Liberty (visible to the naked eye, depending on angle),
and a slight loss of Proof luster at the very edge's of Liberty's cape next to the die break area (only visible by loupe).

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 Posted 11/12/2011  12:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eaglefoot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have had immeasurable patience with "my" order of two of these Sets...... but now I'm getting worried ! .....

My order # 3837####
Order Date: 10/27/2011 at 04:46 PM

Order Status: Your order request is in process.


Tracking Number(s):
Tracking number and carrier link
not available for this shipment.



25TH ANNIVERSARY AE 5 COIN SILVER SET 2 $299.95 $599.90 2 units backordered. Expected to ship on 11/26/2011.



Should I be worried ? ....

Somebody go ahead and give me the bad news that I'm expecting......
I've been pretty confident that I got my order in after 4 hours and 45 minutes of trying.....now my confidence is "shaken" to say the least.
If I don't get my two Sets...... I will be DEVASTATED ! ....
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 Posted 11/12/2011  12:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DNA to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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amassey08873: Anyone notice how the tray that the coins are on, can be sat up, displaying the coins upright?

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Eaglefoot, my order was placed at 2:34 EDT and I only got a tracking number yesterday at 5:00, so it is taking them quite a while to work through the shipping. At this rate, you won't get to the top ofthe list until late Monday maybe, but probably Tuesday afternoon sometime. Several more days of nailbiting, but don't give up hope yet.
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Has anyone noticed on their "uncirculated" S mint a tiny shiny spot right smack in the middle of the field to the right of lady liberty? Every one of my five sets has that spot on the S mint coin.

On the coin in the Set I just photographed above, the tiny spot is only visible with my 16x loupe, even then only from certain lighting angles. Try as I may, it's not visible to the naked eye from any angle.
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Eaglefoot, my # is also 383704xx WE are in the same boat, what time did you order I did at 4:15:48..... I also have the same status as you!



EDITED TO ADD MORE NUMBERS TO MY ORDER #!
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11/12/2011 5:48 pm
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The guy on ebay sold his Reverse Proof, made $100 profit, and has four ASE's left. Not bad!
He hasn't sold his 2011-S, though.
Key though the "S" may be, the Reverse Proof rules this roost.
It'll be interesting to see what his 2011-S sells for (or if it does).
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11/12/2011 2:07 pm
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Eaglefoot, I also have an order with the same status. Ordered at 4:27 pm.
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Eagjlefoot & Morgans Dad Not to worry, My last two orders 38355 & 38364 are In stock and reserved I haven't received any shipping conformation yet. I believe they were 15min-30min apart 2:57pm and latest 3:30pm. They're both in process. Not to worry though! I think if you were going to receive bad news it would of come already. Your orders seem to be in a safe time. I know its hard not to worry. I pre sold one of the sealed sets, so its added a considerable amount of pressure. I think your gonna be alright though! Best of luck.

Bryan1315 Thats a pretty cool feature, think they did an awesome job. Those coins sit up so nice and proud! I was playing around last night and saw that angle on the tray and said to myself. You know that would be really cool if they made this a display box as well. Sure enough, that sun of a gun stood right up. That knocked it out of the park for me.
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 Posted 11/12/2011  4:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amassey08873 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't want to come off as an . But hows the quality on your sets. The 2 sets I received so far are both flawless. Every coin is perfect crisp, clear fields well struck. I'm blown away bye the quality! How are they looking out their? Even the bullion coins are premo. To bad I can't get the Special label on them now. I have a feeling their going to bring a nice chuck of change.
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Eaglefoot.....no rejection email is a good sign...not "in stock and reserved" ...well that is a slight negative BUT... with that said it would think you are right on the edge of availability..adds a little drama to life doesn't it?

Have faith...I have this feeling you are good to go...(I also thought the Red Sox would win the World Series ;)
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I don't want to come off as an . But hows the quality on your sets. The 2 sets I received so far are both flawless. Every coin is perfect crisp, clear fields well struck. I'm blown away bye the quality! How are they looking out their? Even the bullion coins are premo. To bad I can't get the Special label on them now. I have a feeling their going to bring a nice chuck of change.


Do me a favor and check out the rims of the S burnished. There have been a few reports of dings there...
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On the die issue, modern die are rarely, if ever, touched up for continued use. The die are relatively cheaper than a hundred years ago and the desired quality so high that die refirbishing is not practical. For a coin like the UHRDE in 2009, typical die life was right around 300 coins. I think your number is in the right ball park for proofs, probably a lower number for the reverse proof but maybe not with the new die preparation being used for that coin this year. Die for the uncirculated coins probably go a little longer because those coins are only struck once and for the bullion coins die are used much longer because the strike force is less and the acceptable coin quality is lower.

On an interesting side note, the prized PL designation on URHDE coins is actually the result of late die state use. The PL coins also show less definition of the devices, evidence of die wear. The initial die polishing for that coin left small scratches that show up on the early coins. Just before the die were retired, the fields had been pounded smooth, creating a more reflective surface. Contrary to what even the mint called them, the UHRDE were proof coins, struck twice under very high forces on special planchets with special die and receiving very special handling. The mint has done numismatics a few disservices in recent decades, one by turning the meaning of proof from a production technique to an appearance specification and another when they chose to use the term uncirculated, which had long meant circulation strike coins that had not seen circulation yet, into a term used to describe a coin minted with no intention of ever being circulated. Modern "uncirculated" coins miss the classic definition of a proof coin in only one aspect and that is that they are struck only once whereas a true proof is struck at least twice. This year, the mint dealt another blow when it essentially erased the distinction between high grade not yet circulated business strike coins and "uncirculated" coins by abandoning the burnished planchets, all but destroying the value of the former coins. It is now virtually impossible to tell a high grade business strike (rare) from an average uncirculated strike (common). The popular look of proof coins has evolved over time. In the 19th century, the cameo appearance was the norm, when proof coins were primarily struck in small quantities for friends of the mint. In the early 20th century, various types of fully satin finishes were the norm. Through the mid 20th century, a fully brilliant proof was produced and an artifact of that production was a cameo appearance rendered on very early die state coins that that revealed the fact that the polishing of the devices was accomplished by using the die. When proof coinage resumed in 1968 at the San Francisco mint, after three years of virtually nothing but business strikes on mint mark free coins, the popularity of the cameo variants of the brilliant proofs was recognized and the mint had learned how to produce die that could strike that look through the life of the die, and the modern "ultra cameo" proof was born. In use for over 40 years now, what was once the look of the day in proof coinage has become one with the definition of proof and a proof coin that is not cameo is stripped of the title it justly deserves (culminating in the mint referring to the UHRDE, a faithful reproduction of Saint Gaudins' original satin proof as a business strike coin). Save that one extra strike, modern commemorative coins and the Eagles that carry the uncirculated title are really satin proofs. From 2005 through 2010, the same was true of uncirculated strikes of circulating coins but now that distinction is fading as the cost of minting those coins is reduced and aspects of the proofing process are removed from the production line. The one kind of coin that we don't have today, but that I would really like to see (because I am a child of that era) is the fully brilliant proof. Such a coin would have been a true key to this SAE set.
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