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1909 IHC: Business Strike Or Proof?

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I'm not sure...

1909-IHC:-Business-Strike-Or-Proof?

1909-IHC:-Business-Strike-Or-Proof?

Any people more knowledgeable about this series please chime in, as I've never had to make the distinction and I don't know IHC too well. This one seems like it COULD be a proof but I don't really know.
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Not familiar enough with IHC to confirm but it sure looks like a proof strike. Much more strongly struck than my MS64 business strike.
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That's what I originally thought, as well as seeing differences in the lettering on Heritage. But..there seem to be slight differences coin to coin in terms of the lettering and devices which makes it confusing.
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Not sure what a Proof one of those would look like but that coin is really in a high MS grade. Should be in my Album.
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I'm on the fence with this one too. Without seeing it in hand it would be hared to tell from just the photo. It is a beautiful cent regardless of the type of production.
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I definitely agree its a nice coin; I just realllly want to know if its a proof or not as it makes a big difference in value. The 'circulation' marks are suspicious though as proofs usually don't have hits like that.
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I'm not sure..


No, I'm not either.

But, I know one thing it's a beautiful Indian, MS for sure.
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Good question on an older coin Shadow. I don't know either but did a little research and came up with these comments. I don't know if any or all apply to an older minted coin or if the minting of non-modern proof coins were struck similar as today's modern proofs, but they seem to have some merit.

Perhaps comparing yours to a known proof might help.

"Strike - Proofs tend to be somewhat sharper than business strikes. In fact, most proofs are fully struck. There are a number of exceptions however. The most common exceptions in the Morgan dollar series are the proof issues of 1891, 1892 and especially 1893. These dates are often found weakly struck in the centers.

Edges - Most proofs will have either square edges, or wire edges in the case of some matte and Roman finish proofs. Business strikes usually do not have square or wire edges.

Die Variety - Proofs were usually struck from one or two pairs of dies, and these dies were often used solely for proofs. Therefore, any coin struck from proof dies is at least somewhat more likely to be a proof. Die variety, while not conclusive, can be an important factor in determining proof status.

Lint Marks - Proof dies and planchets were usually polished with soft cloths. Occasionally, pieces of lint would adhere to the die or planchet prior to the striking process. Therefore, lint marks are fairly common on proof coins, yet rare on business strikes.

Lint marks are discernible from scratches because they are more even and uniform in intensity. They tend to be more curved than scratches. Furthermore, unlike scratches, they aren't surrounded by displaced metal.

If you aren't sure if a coin is proof, and it has one or more lint marks, the chances are good that it is a proof."

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That is a very nice coin! If I had to guess, I would say it's a biz strike, MS65BN
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I'm reasonably sure it's a great MS in lieu of a proof. For comparison purposes, here's my 1881 Proof IHC. The texture of the proof looks quite a bit smoother than the coin in question don't you think? Paleoguy

1909-IHC:-Business-Strike-Or-Proof? 1909-IHC:-Business-Strike-Or-Proof?
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The texture of the proof looks quite a bit smoother than the coin in question don't you think?


Oh Yea! Thats a beauty.

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I'm leaning towards business strike. It doesn't look sharp enough to be a proof. But still:
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