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Where's The Bottom On Gold In 2013?

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 Posted 12/22/2012  5:21 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add aandabooks to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Poll Question
I'm going to have some cash freed up right after the first of the year and could look to add the first gold to my stack. This is also contingent on where silver goes after the first of the year. If silver gets anywhere near $26-27, I'll be all in on silver.

What number should I be looking for?

Poll Choices
 Under $1550
 $1550-1575
 $1575-1600
 $1600-1625
 $1625-1650
 $1650-1675
 Forget gold and just buy silver

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 Posted 12/22/2012  5:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coin Addict to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There is far more room for silver to run than gold. The market for silver is much, much smaller than gold and thus is much more volatile. It's best to just buy and forget always remembering silver will see astronomical at some point in the not too distant future.
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 Posted 12/22/2012  7:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kurtkurtles to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm hoping it falls below 1500/oz. Then I might be able to pick some up finally. Like you, I'm hoping to add my first gold to my bullion stack.
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 Posted 12/22/2012  7:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tpg22 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Gold and Silver are both under pressure. A lot of new money has bought in. Pre33 gold has jumped in 10 years. People may run for the door if it gets under $1500. I'm sitting back for a while to see how it plays out. If I miss a jump so be it. I still have a fair amount of silver that will enjoy any increase. Though it may never happen, I want one chance to buy ASE's at $6 and 1 oz gold bullion at $300 each.
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 Posted 12/22/2012  8:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I wont be voting in this poll.

I respect the market place and I realize it has the final say in everything. I can only go by the price action and nothing more.

Again, after the price action after the Fed meeting and price action afterwards, I feel gold and silver are going lower in the short term. Again I place my outlook based the current price action.

could I be wrong? Sure I could be and depending on the coming weeks the picture will be clearer.

For that reason, before I commit to any sort of price estimates I need to see what happens going forward. But I am patient and will be waiting to decide.
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 Posted 12/22/2012  8:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aandabooks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm just trying to get the gauge on where people think we might be going after the first of the year. For some reason I have not had much luck predicting the bottom to wait for to commit a bulk of cash to buy. That is probably why I DCA my silver stack otherwise I would be kicking myself for all the silver I bought last spring at +$36 and didn't hold that money until the summer to buy at $27.
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 Posted 12/23/2012  02:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I voted below $1,500, but I don't even agree with my own vote!
Reason? I am very loathe to use guesswork before making ANY investment decision.

Depends on your investment horizon. Two things:
1. Lay a 200 day moving average graph over the daily spot fix, to decide which day you wish to take a position, or withdraw from it.

2. Most of us are just plain stackers, with no real idea into the future when to buy or sell. That implies for most of us, that investment is long term. A short version of 'long term' may be perhaps 5 years. Let me assume that this is the case.
Being so, grab a 10 year gold price history graph, and draw a smoothing line of best fit over it, smoothing out what you think is eliminating the sharpness of the price peaks and troughs.
If you are pessimistic, that line will have a bias for recognising the troughs in the price graph, if optimistic, it will bias for the price peaks.

With such a smoothing line that is twice as long as your investment time frame, (5 years in this case), it becomes at least partly possible to predict the future price, perhaps as much as two years ahead.

REMEMBER:
"Past performance is no guarantee of future performance".
You still need SOME rationalisation that is better than sheer guesswork, when making significant investment decisions!


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 Posted 12/23/2012  11:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
aandabooks-

yes I understand what you are trying to do, I hear you.

the bottom line is tho, as one famous trader said, "no one can call tops or bottoms" and that is really true its a fools game. and when you are buying physical gold coins it can be tricky.


hence while I was collecting I decided I would stick with gold and silver proofs, as I have said many times here in other threads, so as to give myself some cushion. Now I can see everyone growling, saying that you cant buy enough silver and gold that way but ima fine with it.

Now, that said..... because of the nature of PMs, if you plan on say, sticking to BU gold coins, such as Eagles and get a good price over spot, I dont think its a bad idea to NIBBLE when we get days and days of selling in PMs.

While I am not an individual that likes to buy things when they are being sold off (i would rather buy high to sell higher but that's for a different time), I do think that with coins, when there's a vicious sell off in gold and silver, wild carnage, you should go and again NIBBLE some. Don't blow all your cash. Because what happens often is you think, oh this has come down enough and perhaps you are happy for a week and then the prices commence their move down and you could have added some more coins down the road at an even lower price.

Some other ideas to help you purchase gold- try and stick to coins with Prems. Yes again, I can see everyone chomping at the bit here "no dont do that, you cant stack, you can only get so much gold its not going to pay off". well my friends, I just got back into collecting coins, IE, proof silver and gold from gov mints, and world bullion via rolls, sheets... and except for the Libertads and some proof Perth Mint pieces almost everything has gone up in value and ima happy that I took quality, over quantity as I say.

Sooo... I suggest this again, before I get off track-

1- look at proof mint silver and gold coins from gov mints and buy direct from the gov mint as much as possible (someday i;ll explain who and how deals with which mints)

2- look at bullion that carries a prem or that allows you to buy direct from the Mint. IE, it is my understanding that you can buy direct from The Royal Mint Brit silver rolls and gold. For gold, I suggest buying china pandas as they carry a prem clearly that holds up. just make sure you buy from a REPUTABLE dealer, because if its too good to be true deal wise you will get stuck with a fake.

3- I say stay AWAY from gold and silver graded coins, you wont get the most bang for your buck.

4- diversify your bullion gold and silver coins, get some Aussies Roos, some pandas, some eagles, some maples (to help deal with the drops in PM prices) and try and find those that have the lowest mintage's

As far as moving averages, those are not set in stone. the 200 day MA is but just a mere reference point. prices can and have and will slice below and above that. All moving averages are nothing but reference points from the past. They are not support nor resistance. and furthermore charts only tell us the past, and nothing about the future.

For that reason, I feel its very difficult to match your coin pricing and buying with the moving spot prices. If you were trading futures, or ETFs tied to gold and silver it would be a different story.

Perhaps sentiment is the best way to be buying coin purchases and ima trying to write up a piece here for you guys who aren't technical, a sort of a layman's easy to read simple chart to help you decide when you want to add to your stacks, using free tools on the internet.

And finally, as some members said here.... buy some coins, and sit on them and be patient, let the years go by. I think thats a very sound strategy, provided you dont blow your entire line of cash on the coins you buy,,,, buy a little at a time and try to stick to quality coins IE proofs. (BTW when I reference to coins, in this topic I am talking only about silver and gold coins, IE world bullion and proofs)

Again, this is just my suggestions, they aren't gospel just telling you what has worked for me in the past.

hope that helps!
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 Posted 12/24/2012  6:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Though it may never happen, I want one chance to buy ASE's at $6 and 1 oz gold bullion at $300 each.

Not a problem. Just fire up your flux capacitor powered Delorian and go back in time about 12-13 years. For a MUCH better deal, go back about 120 years.


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You still need SOME rationalisation that is better than sheer guesswork, when making significant investment decisions!

There are, indeed, many ways to look at the purchase of PMs. For me, it is less about investing and more about converting fiat paper, which I KNOW will be worth less in the future than it is today (at least in terms of buying power), into physical gold and / or silver assets that very likely will be worth more in the future than they are today. Inflation is a nasty game and the only way to win it, if you're not a central bank, is not to play it.
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