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The problem with Broadstruck errors is that many times they wipe all trace of a double struck error coin. Here is an example ( I think) of cherry picking a very cool broadstrike that is also double struck. Please let me know if this is indeed a fact by the photographs. Broadstrikes have metal flow that can sometimes resemble doublestikes. It drives me crazy sometimes trying to figure out double strikes from metal flow on broadstruck coins. Here are some photos of what I believe is proof of a double strike, It appears to have raised metal on the underside of the top part of "T" and "E", please let me know:    errrrrrrrrror Edited by Errorcoins
07/28/2007 11:12 pm
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Hello error
your coin is not a double strike. I don't remember what it is even though I was just talking about them a few weeks ago lol. I think that the consensus was that it was ejection damage. but I could be wrong. it would be nice if it was a double die as I have at least a roll like your coin. Chuck will be in sooner or later though and he will give us all the answer.
error PM me when you get a chance I have a few coins for you.
Gary
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Gary, I still think this is double struck, but I am still open on this one if explained. I have seen hundreds of broadstruck coins. Almost all show metal flow. Most do not have the characteristics of this coin. Look closely under the edge of the "T" and "E" on what I think is the understrike. The photos and what I saw seem to indicate a slightly raised edge from the first strike.
If a broadstrike happened on a previously struck coin, wouldn't it look like this?, it is bound to happen.
I have seen many on center double struck dimes that would appear to be broadstrikes except for the fact that they have reeding meaning it had to be a double strike.
Anyway, this is a very important coin so I need to know for SURE.
thanks for the reply, errror
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I have no opinion on if it is a double strike, but is this the sort of thing that causes Die Deterioration doubling(obviously broad strikes on a larger scale)? What I mean is, the dies get worn and/or loose and allow the metal to squeeze past a little extra? Thanks for any answers |
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I don't think it is a DD it looks like it is sliding not hit twice. I have been looking for the post that I posted on coppercoins awhile back asking about a coin that had the same type of trouble on it but it is gone I don't know how long Chuck leaves the post's there before deleting them but I am hoping he will show up soon and let us all know again. or me again anyway
Gary
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Gary, what has me on this coin is the raised metal. I think a sliding strike would not have the "edge" of the letter with the raised metal. Here are some more pix of raised metal, you can barley see a raised part were the L and I would be:  and some raised metal from the building:  Like I have said, I have seen many what appeared to be a broadstrike dime but the reeding proves the double strike. cents obviously have no reeding for this conformation. anyway, thanks for the replies and I look forward to this discussion. errrrror |
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I don't know about the double strike, but this looks like the Wide AM variety that is listed in the Red Book for the years 1992, 1998, 1999, and 2000. Since your file names include "00", I'm guessing this is a 2000-P, Wide AM cent. I presume that an ordinary broadstruck Zincoln is common, a broadstruck Wide AM would be scarce, and a broadstrike, Wide AM, with a confirmed double strike would be rare and valuable? |
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Jaobler, bingo you win a cookie. good job. yes it is important to know if this is a rare error or a super rare error.
you know your coins.
errrrror
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I see simple Mechanical Doubling and what maybe ejection doubling,, I tend to agree with Gary that the coin is not double struck but has a ghosting of some details from being struck out of the collar ,,the ghosting I believe is caused from die slippage and the spreading metal from being un contained in the collar to the point where it finally settled and struck the details . The coin appears to be as Jaobler said Wide AM 2000 . One slight correction though the 92 Lincoln is not a Wide AM but is the opposite and is the Close AM variety . Metalman |
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While I do NOT have the experience that most of you have, I do have to go along with Gary, and Metleman, in that I don't think it is doubled. I do think it has MD, and appears to have been a "hair" out of the collar at some time, due to the direction of the surface metal MOVEMENT, not flow. This due to the construction of the 'varmit".It is too bad that a nice find like that has to be "mutilated, as well. But, again Broadstruck, "wide A-M" does make for a very interesting coin.
Dick
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Hi,
The coin is not double struck.
When a broadstrike occurs on a plated cent (post 1982) The strike keeps the lettering within the recesses of the die. That gives you the "normal" letters (although they get slightly damaged)
What appears to be doubling or a second strike is actually the result of breaks in the plating.
The areas above the letters show the zinc beneath the copper plating as the force of the strike stretches the outer portion of the coin.
There is not enough copper on the surface to stretch to the size of the broadstrike so it breaks on the surface of the coin.
Tough to describe but that's about it.
No double strike, just zinc showing under the copper where the breaks occurred due to the stretching of the metal beneath the copper plating.
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Ok, I am 95 percent sure that I was wrong on this. I Talked with F W on this and he concurred with you guys although he did say he could not say "for sure'"
BTW this coin is Certified by ANACS as a 2000 Broadsruck Type II Reverse so I was going against the wind the whole time.
I did learn something so that's a good thing.
Cool, thanks all for the info, errror
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Your coin is what they call BROAD STRUCK coin, that is what you have and they carry a great premium....nice coin
300 coin guy
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LOL I want to know where I can sell them at a "great premium" I have a few hundred to sale
Gary
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Gary, this type II, especial this large broadstrike would carry a very nice premium, one very rare coin.
This is the only BS type II that I have seen. I have seen numerous type off centers however.
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i understand the premium on the type II but it also is not a great premium I think you can pick up a 2000 for maybe 6-10 bucks I don't call that great. I'm not trying to minimize your coin at all and also not trying to pick on anyone so Patrick don't take it wrong that was not meant to be a harmful statement!.
Gary
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