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The frosty 17-P will arrive today. I'll post pics when it gets here. I had an idea late last night, and I think that as a reward for folks putting up with me and this ridiculous adventure, I would toss out a couple ebay search "tidbits" each day. A reward for your endurance. I don't know everything there is to know about it, but I've learned a lot. For today ... When searching the German site, S/S does not indicate a repunched mintmark. It means "Schon Schon" ... which means "very fine". or ... when searching on the Italian site, AG doesn't mean "about good", its an abbreviation for "argento" ... or "silver" Don't limit your search to the coins category. Search across all categories. Stuff ends up listed in the dumbest categories you can imagine. My biggest score, an AU-58 Seated dollar dated 1850, of which only 7500 were minted (and the only coin I ever had certified) was purchased for 150.00 "BIN". It was listed with the creamers and sugar bowls in antiques. Had I been searching in the "Coins and Paper money" category, I'd have never found it. Pics of "frosty" the 17-P later. I'll post pics of her before conservation and after (no room in my collection for urine colored coins). I hope this coin's not all scuffed up like the pair of 1916s from the last set. I don't expect it will be (and doesn't appear to be) since the set belonged to the seller's mother, who collected as an adult, and he's in his 60s. More adventures to follow. Chance
Edited by Chancellor Sutler 12/21/2017 06:28 am
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Thank you for the additional photos.  Looking forward to seeing the 1917-P. 
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Chance: Just out of curiosity, I'm not sure if I remember how you keep your coins. Are they in Folders or Albums? And do you have the 42/41, 42D/41, 45 Micro S? Also, what are you doing about the several years where there are both large and small Mint Marks? Most modern Albums have slots for most of those but not for large and small Mint Marks. I presently use Whitman Classic Albums for my Mercury dimes. I am up to 12 almost full sets now excluding set 11 and 12 short the 16D. This does include the 42/41, 42D/41, 45 Micro S. I keep all additional extras in either 2x2 flips or plastic tubes. My sets are in progressively better condition where set #1 is almost all FSB except the 18S. Each set gets lesser and lesser in grade of coin. I have purchased almost all my coins at coin shows but lately nothing good popping up there. Good luck with your pursuit of high grade Mercs.
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Hi just carl .... I bought an eagle 3 ring binder from an online vendor, and the plastic pocket pages. I'm using the 1.5 x 1.5 inch staple type holders, and the pages have 30 pockets. The 2 x 2 pages only hold 20 coins per page. If the overdates fall out of the sky, and they're a steal ... I'll buy them. Same with the mint mark varieties....and those I'll probably just keep on a separate page. Went happily to the Post Office this morning ... and the frosty yellow 1917-P is here, and is a FB coin. Its a nice uncirculated coin. Here are the "as found" pics. Chance  
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She is very nice! 
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Naturally, I want them all to be MS-70, and she's got a few contact marks on the reverse that I could live without, but at least she's got full original luster. I ended up befriending the seller. He's retired Military, and I'm helping to educate him to where he can move his Mom's collection. He offered me 20 to 25 percent of the proceeds. I told him no, that's just too much. ebay and Paypal are going to eat enough of his lunch. A little good will doesn't cost much. He's got lots more Mercs, but no more high grade ones. The old gal's takin' a bubble bath right now. That stuff will melt right off. Its nowhere near as heavily toned as his incandescent lit pictures would lead you to believe. The center of the obverse has very little toning. Chance
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Wow is she beautiful! Nice find. Good on you for helping out one of our vets also  .
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She's ready for Prime Time now...but I still wish the fasces wasn't so beat up. There's a little rim damage on the obverse to boot that kinda sucks. BUT ... she's a good bit better than the one she just gave the boot. I'll stumble across that 66 eventually. Its not as though 17-P is a low mintage at over 58 million. Until then, she's "the one". Chance  
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Quote: She's ready for Prime Time now...but I still wish the fasces wasn't so beat up. There's a little rim damage on the obverse to boot that kinda sucks. BUT ... she's a good bit better than the one she just gave the boot. I'll stumble across that 66 eventually. Its not as though 17-P is a low mintage at over 58 million. Until then, she's "the one". Much improved. 
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I'm up way early ... with some GI discomfort, and I'm studying this 17-P. I didn't notice anything out of the ordinary until I stapled it into the holder. There's a "dip" on the obverse, vertically through the wing on her cap. There are "lines" vertically that should not be there, but which were present before the striking of the wing ... if that makes sense. If there's a "dip" on the obverse, then it follows that there must be a "hump" on the reverse....and there is ... and the high spot is right through E Pluribus Unum. I don't know what's going on here. The flow lines are NOT disturbed anywhere on the coin, The letters in the motto are not damaged. There's no major rim damage ... the kind that would HAVE to be present to do this to the coin post minting. There are also some curious lines in Liberty's neck, that are curved. They were also present prior to the obverse device being struck. Again, the flow lines are not disturbed. I don't understand all there is to know about dies, but it's my assumption that they are so heavily made that there's no way that they could become buckled, but it seems that would almost have to be the case for this coin to be equally mis-formed on both sides without damage to the legends and devices that would have to be present were it PMD. Its really got me scratching my head. I just want a straight up 1917-P ... not something goofy. I have had more trouble with this common date than enough, probably because I'm a cheapskate....or this year is jinxed for me. I don't know if I can capture any of this stuff with my little easy share camera, but I'm going to try to do just that. Maybe somebody more knowledgeable than me (there are lots of 'em here) will have some idea as to how this could happen. Probably the easiest thing to show is the simple fact that the coin is bent by laying it on a flat surface. The knee jerk reation will be "That's PMD", and I'm going to ask you to hold that thought for just a little while. I don't know how you bend a coin without damaging it significantly. It may be PMD, but let's explore this a bit before reaching a conclusion. I'll wrestle with trying to capture the features in Liberty's wing and neck that should not be there. That will take more time, so look for those in another post to follow. I have to hand hold my loupe to the lense and get the lighting right ... oh, what fun this will be. Actually ... I'll back up just wee bit. There does seem to be something going on with the word "DIME" and the field behind it, adjacent to the rim, and mow that I've taken these photos, I can see the bend down by the date that wasn't evident until that shot was taken. I'll look into that more closely too. Chance  
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I'm not going to be able to photograph the "anomalies" in Miss Liberty ... and it seems obvious that the LAST thing that happened to this coin is that it was bent. How? ... Who knows? ... Maybe a "mentalist" bent it. Just kidding. The impact is on the "D" and the "I" of DIME ... but how does it bend without doing significant damage to the obverse. I don't guess it really matters. The end result is the same regardless ... the coin is bent.
If you look at the obverse image a few posts above, you can see part of the lines that run through the wing. I also noticed after posting this, that there's damage to the olive branch and the field above the "N" in ONE.
I'm wondering if this could have happened during a collar failure? The rim by the date looks like the collar was failing to me.
Chance
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OCH! That photo does really show a bend in that dime. To bad since it really looks fantastic. Maybe your getting a bit to critical of something that was made a long, long time ago. I suspect some coin collectors get fanatical about perfection in their coins. I know I always want them better and better but then I stop and think these are things made a long time ago.
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