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What is further interesting is with only one coin EDS, grade does not play a large role except if it is mint state. This coin is PCGS certified mint state (MS 62).
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Thanks very much for the explanation of everything Oz. 'Interesting' would be putting it mildly. Let me get it straight though, because it just sounded very odd the way I read it, so I am pretty sure that I am mistaken in my understanding of this die pair and its states: VAM 22 is the EDS of VAM 22A. VAM 22A displays 'pitting'. VAM 22 does not.
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Zee, there is a seperate 1887-O VAM 22. Then there is a separate listing for 1887-O VAM 22 A pitten reverse. VAM 22A is a top 100 coin. This version now has one confirmed early die state.
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Interesting too note the "one of a kind" VAM 22, without the pitting has an I3R3? Kind of makes absolutely NO SENSE, any other might warrant R7 even if no one's interested in it.
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Gene, it is a 1887-O VAM 22 A. pitted reverse. It is early die state. The revision from leroy Van Allen was that pitting is progressive. This coin is the only 1887-O VAM 22 A that is reported and verified early die state. (It means while there is pitting, there is not a lot of pitting as one would normally see in a 1887-O VAM 22 A pitted reverse. 1887-O VAM 22 is not a top 100 coin. VAM 22A pitted reverse is a top 100 coin.
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Goodness....I am getting more confused by the hour (really nothing out of the ordinary for me though). VAM 22 and VAM 22A are two totally different die pairings.....correct? VAM 22A has two die states, an EDS with a small amount of pitting, and a LDS with a greater amount of pitting........correct?
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1887-O VAM 22 (revised) III218-C3a (doubled eyelid and stars) (181) I-3 R-3 1887-O VAM 22 A (revised) III218-C3a (doubled eyelid and stars, pitted reverse) I-3 R-6 VAM 22 A is a top 100 coin. VAM 22 A is differentiated from VAM 22 by adding pitting on the reverse.
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Quote:Recently, there was a revision in the listing as a specimen was shown to Leroy Van Allen that did not have as much pitting on the reverse as the plate photo. 1887-O VAM 22 is difficult to locate. VAM 22 only becomes VAM 22 A with the pitting on the reverse. So now there is an early die state (EDS)version of VAM 22A. PCGS calls this specimen a 'minor variety'. So this coin, the revision coin is (so far) the only one located in thirteen years and it is listed as a 'minor variety'. Never mind Oz, I see where you have answered my questions already. So, in direct rebuttal to common sense, the die state progression is: vam-22....vam-22A EDS (unique coin)......vam-22A LDS (top-100).
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Yes, with pitting on the reverse being the difference.
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Time will tell if the early die state of the VAM 22A is in fact the hardest to locate. It's all relative.
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Thanks Oz. I do appreciate your taking the time to explain that. Did you bring this up just because you knew that it would make my head spin?
The die started striking coins in a normal unpitted state (22).......pitting abruptly occurred after an unspecified duration of time (22A EDS)......and then became worse (22A LDS).
So now the burning questions in my mind are:
1.) What causes this 'pitting'?
2.) Will physics textbooks also be revised to explain this new revelation?
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You have your questions, I have mine. What I didn't know was that pitting is progressive.
By the way, I wasn't trying to make your head spin, relatively speaking. I wanted everyone to know are (rarity) ratings are relative and they are based on conditional rarity. Then lastly, (although unspoken) they are based on who owns and promotes them. This is the paradox of vamming.
So we are clear on terminology. par·a·dox#8194; 1. a statement or proposition that seems self-contradictory or absurd but in reality expresses a possible truth.
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I type are and I get are.
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I type "R" and I get are.
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"R" (rarity) ratings are relative.
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