Knowledge Is King?

I'm really not sure I follow you on all of that buddy. There are more than just pimples that differentiate these coins.

Vams 5, 6, 14.5, 14.8, and 14.19 each have unique obverses, not shared with any other VAM, the similarities among these dies may be subtle, but they definitely do indicate that they are separate die pairings and that is enough to qualify them for individual VAM status.

As to the die state progression of the 14.8, 14.19, & 14.5, I am not entirely sure, as I just don't remember all of that stuff, but it seems as though the progression on these coins was determined based on the PL surfaces of the reverse die being the earliest used (14.8), and digressing to the 14.19, and down the line to the 6, then the 14.5, and finally the 7.

I could be wrong about all of that, but that is the way I recall it, everything was based on the surface appearance of the reverse on high grade examples.

If this was anything other than the 8TF, I would be more than skeptical about this method of die state attribution, but the 8TFs were so hurried that I really doubt that polishing actually occurred. The 7/8TF dies were being used within two weeks of the beginning of the 8TFs debut, so I imagine that the 8TF were just used til they failed, and replaced without any overhaul.

Since there are no cudded coins, inspection of each of these new design Morgans probably was quite stringent. I have little doubt though that many of the 8TF dies ended life early as a result of the rush job in their creation, and cudded coins were struck, and remelted immediately.

Where are you getting your info Gene?

Wrong-O buddy....you should know me well enough by now to realize that I will dispute 'anything'.

Gene, buddy, I am getting so sleepy, I am not really sure that I can even

"seek and the question....of it..."

(Whatever any of this whole post means).

Later Dude

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but you can't dispute the 1891-0 lol sleep well my friend..tomarrow yes..

Gene, as I reread these last two pages, I am embarrassed to the point of tears, as should you be. Never again will I stay up late at night past the point of rational thinking, and then cross over into the wasteland of giddiness.

I took a picture of one of OZ's coins from his super set, which is really cool!...This is an amazing deep dish coin you should all see...The I believe the VAM is 52 ..very few dies looked like this, There is one in the 78P series as well..