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 Posted 08/15/2015  12:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list
There really isn't anything you can do that will insure your coins safety in a basement that has at least one room leaking when it rains.

Even silica, which will absorb moisture quickly, and zip lock bags are only going to do so much. If you doubt it, take a few zincolns, stick them in zip lock, put in a silica pad, leave for a month in the basement.

Do the same thing but leave that bag of zincolns upstairs (not the attic if you have one).

Within a few months you will likely see a difference between them.

Of course you have to use the same condition zincolns in both bags. If you can find a solid mint roll, split that roll and use half in one and half in the other.

It should show you that zip locks and silica is only going to help so much.

I've been using Day Mount Air Tight 2X2 and 2.5X2.5 holders for better than 30 years and I've never had a single coin change in any way inside them, regardless of the room or safe condition.

They are a good deal more expensive than the stapled 2X2's, but I figure if I'm too cheap to use the better holders, the coin isn't worth preserving.

I think your significant other needs to move their shoe collection out of the upstairs bedroom closet to make room for your coins.
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 Posted 08/15/2015  1:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LibertyEagle20 to your friends list
How much lower are humidity levels on ground levels vs the basement typically?
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 Posted 08/15/2015  2:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list
A basement can be just as secure as an upper level, but in this case with water dripping in one of the rooms in the basement it would require that problem be fixed.
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 Posted 08/15/2015  3:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rollsearcher37 to your friends list
Basements and unfinished attics are just about the worst places to store coins, due to the inconsistency in temperature, humidity, dampness etc.

You need to bring the coins up to your main living space immediately! You can put your safe in the back of a closet somewhere, where it won't be in the way. But definitely don't leave your coins in the situation they are currently in.
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 Posted 08/15/2015  4:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CSOTUS to your friends list
What exactly will happen to coins in a humid environment? short term or long term effects?
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 Posted 08/15/2015  4:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Coins and moisture do not mix. I bought a LWC deal last year, some 25 paper-wrapped rolls and envelopes with 2/3 coins in each. These had been stored in a baement for around 15 years. At least 10% of the coins were completely shot, and another 15% will always bear traces of corrosion.

Figure something out, but get them out of the basement.
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 Posted 08/15/2015  5:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1893S to your friends list
Short term effects-the surfaces will start the process of corroding, Long term effects-they will corrode
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 Posted 08/15/2015  7:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CSOTUS to your friends list
Thanks all for the advice. I will store them somewhere else until I can figure out my humidity problem in my den.

I will look into a safe deposit box on Monday.

Thanks again
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 Posted 08/16/2015  11:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list

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Are you saying I'm risking damaging these coins because I put the silica gel packs in there?

Again, they can only absorb so much moisture then may actually start leaking out excessive moisture. Yes they are great if you maintain them or frequently change them. If not, waste of time and money. Remember any item can only absorb so much moisture and then that is all.

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How much lower are humidity levels on ground levels vs the basement typically?

Varies massively. You have to remember that moisture is water and water vapor is much heavier than just air. The moisture in the air settles downward so a basement is like a trap for that. Any leakage or outside air coming into a basement, has no where to go so it just stays there. Every time you open a door, you allow new moisture to enter and being heavy, it will go down, down, down.
Many people have a cloths dryer in the basement. Every 30 minutes of drying time usually empties out about a 12 cubic foot room or air. It comes in from everywhere to replace that now lost air that went out through the cloths dryers vent. Note too, if you have a furnace and/or hot water heater in the basement. If gas fired, they have a vent to the outside. when not used, air from outside comes in that vent too.
There are just so many places that leak air into a house and especially an old house. Again, best to move your coins out of the basement.
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 Posted 08/17/2015  11:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list

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Again, they can only absorb so much moisture then may actually start leaking out excessive moisture. Yes they are great if you maintain them or frequently change them. If not, waste of time and money. Remember any item can only absorb so much moisture and then that is all.

That is true but the volume inside a ziplock bag is very small and the gel can pretty well soak up most all the moisture in the air inside the bag without getting saturated. With a good seal it is very difficult for new moist air to get in unless you open the bag. If you do the double baggig the air that leaks into the iner bag is dry air from the outer bag. If you don't open the bags that gel probably won't need recharging for a couple decades. And since the bag is transparet you ca tell whether or not it needs recharging without opening the bag.
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 Posted 08/17/2015  10:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jfransch to your friends list
Just recharge your silica packs every 3 or 4 months to keep them working well.

Preheat an oven to 275 degrees Fahrenheit. Line a baking sheet with aluminum foil.
Lay the silica gel packets flat on the foil-lined baking sheet. For loose silica gel, spread the granules in a layer no more than 2 inches thick on the foil-lined baking sheet.
Place the baking sheet inside the preheated oven and bake for several hours. The amount of time varies between 1 to 12 hours depending on the thickness of the silica gel. A good general rule of thumb is baking for 1 ½ hours for every 30 ounces of silica gel.
Remove the baking sheet from the oven. Let the silica gel cool to room temperature on the baking sheet.
Store the cooled silica gel packet in an airtight container until you're ready to use it.
Read more : http://www.ehow.com/how_5035187_rec...ica-gel.html
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 Posted 08/18/2015  03:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add qxy to your friends list

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How much lower are humidity levels on ground levels vs the basement typically?

As said by just carl, it varies. It depends a lot on the use of the basement.
In my case, there is no dryer or anything in the basement, so this should be a pretty standard situation. Temperature varies from 8 degrees Celsius in winter when it's freezing outside to up to 20 in summer when it's 30 outside (all Celsius). Air holds less moisture when it's colder, so when outside air enters the basement through the ventilation openings it cools down in summer/warms up in winter. This causes the humidity in summer to be higher than the outside humidity, and lower in winter. In my basement humidity varies between 60% and 88%, right now it's 86%.
How big this effect is depends on the temperature difference and the outside humidity. Therefore it's hard to say what's 'normal'.
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08/18/2015 04:00 am
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 Posted 08/18/2015  5:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list

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Just recharge your silica packs every 3 or 4 months to keep them working well.

And just how many remember to do that? Or why not just keep buying new ones? Or just move your coins out of such humid areas.
One of the big problems with moisture is the changing of temperatures. For example ever notice what happens on a car when you go from warm damp to cold. Moisture collects on the windows. This too happens on coins. Going back and forth in temperatures makes moisture collect on coins and this really makes them tone, tarnish, corrode, etc. For coins, or any metal, keep in as low a moist area as possible.
And so far I've never used any jel packs of any kind in over 60 years of collecting coins. No problems yet.
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08/18/2015 5:33 pm
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 Posted 08/20/2015  5:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CelticKnot to your friends list
I would recommend a safe from a locksmith as opposed to a department store, sporting goods store, or home center safe. Yes, they're more expensive but consider what you're protecting.
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 Posted 08/20/2015  6:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Earle42 to your friends list
A tip for silica packs. My son worked at a furniture store. They constantly got in furniture that required assembling in the back room. It took him only a month and he got a Wal-mart type plastic bag STUFFED with them for me. All the store will do is throw them away anyway.

So try to see if a local store will save them for you instead of chucking them. All it took where he worked was to throw them in a box until the box was full.

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