Curious As To The Actual Mechanics Of This - 115 2019-S Rp ASE's For Sale

The problem with how the mint handled this is that literally everyone had the same shot at getting the coin. Loyal collectors of ASE's were treated no differently than speculators who had never purchased a coin from the mint. The result of this is that a bunch of people who could care less about coin collecting have been given the opportunity to extract money out of loyal ASE collectors. This is terrible treatment of loyal customers in my opinion. The mint could have given loyal ASE collectors a head start, but chose not to bother.



A privilege is a special right or advantage not enjoyed by everyone. I don't think privilege is the correct word here as it implies that the government can limit driving access simply because it has the power. Fact is that the government is required to provide a drivers license to everyone who obeys the laws that we have agreed upon. To put it another way, simply because the government is given the power to regulate a right does not cause that right to become a privilege.

For starters, the mint's collector coin offerings are created for collectors, not so big dealers can make a living. That said, I'd be fine with the big dealers being able to purchase proportional to their ASE purchases. Of course if there were not going to be enough available based on there being more ASE purchasers than the proposed mintage, then that's a big clue that the proposed mintage was too low.

Simply because government regulations vary widely from state to state, it doesn't make what's being regulated a privilege. Is the "right to keep and bear arms" a privilege because the regulations vary wildly from state to state? Nope, so toss that argument out the window. I would encourage a review of the 9th Amendment.

Then you're saying you want the 9 authorized mint distributors and more specifically the 5 US based ones to have control of the entire mintage. When they make a purchase it's value is in the millions at a time




The right to bear arms is specifically mention in the bill of rights, it is also the 2nd Amendment making it the most important thing behind free speech.

I already mentioned what the actual test is for right vs privileged. Rights the government has to show a legitimate public interest to infringe on, privileges can be changed on a whim by the elected representatives. The right to bear arms would require a constitution amendment to change, state legislatures can change driving laws and requirements whenever they feel like.

To use an example if your state banned gun ownership tomorrow the courts would strike it down for infringing on an actual right. That is an actual protected right. If tomorrow your state decided from now on you have to be 21 to have a licenses it would stand in court and there would be no federal intervention other than they would still have to honor licenses from other states, aka privilege.

State laws and booklets even say driving is a privilege not a right. The 9th Amendment does not cover driving. Rights you have to do something major to lose the right to it such as commit a felony, driving you can lose your license for going 5 mph over the speed limit a few times in a 12 month period, hardly anything major.

People confuse rights and privileges all the time. Just because it is generally accepted that you can do something doesn't make it a protected right

There was no expense to anyone. No one has a right to get whatever they want for the price they want. It was a fun product that got people excited. Everyone that got one is absolutely thrilled and the product is still on fire. There isn't a single other product you can say that about in the last two years or so including the pride sets




There's a rather narrow interpretation of the 9th amendment such as applying free speech to typing or texting etc. Putting driving in there would be a broad one which by default would mean everything is a right, which it isn't

Driving flat out is not a protected right and no court as ever treated it as such, it really is that simple

Not at all. I missed a Pallidum and still consider it a success. I want products that get people excited and create a buzz like this. That's a successful product. Anything that sits for over a year with an unlimited mintage that 2 hours after it's released no one is talking about anymore like 99 percent of their products is boring. It's nice having exciting things mixed in.

Unfortunately we humans tend to let our emotions dictate "success" or "failure" unless we learn to keep our feelings in check. I was legitimately wronged by the system with the 2011 ASE set and was upset by the situation. But I still say that release in 2011 was a success b/c of the attention/interest it brought. A reverse proof ASE was still a BIG deal then.

From an emotionless and logical standpoint, this 2019 S ERP was a genius idea for the coin collecting community as a whole. The focus put onto coin collecting by this release, even by non-collectors (re-read that), has been a plus. Anytime the spotlight falls onto a hobby and brings it more attention is a good thing for the hobby.

Yes, non-collectors saw this as a financial opportunity that some people could take advantage of. Good for them. Everyone had the same chance since the only thing limiting coin acquisition was the randomness of the computers systems/internet connections while taking in the orders.

I don't blame ASE collectors for being upset at not getting one at issue price. But I also am not going to begrudge anyone who got the coin while having to play the ordering system the same way as everyone else had to. I also do not begrudge the mint for making such an event possible. While frustrating hitting that <resend> button all the time, there were winners who look back and say the experience was great and there are losers who hated the experience.

The mint has no obligations whatsoever to please just a certain group of people. They are a business. No matter what they do they will never be able to please everyone b/c we all let our emotions interfere too often with our logic.

It's only sad how some people think they know everything and completely ignore over a 100 years of precedent from the courts and how something is actually treated.

Poor design selection is incompetence from the selection committees trying to make statements with designs. This was marketing genius and a calculated decisions like the w quarters

No point in continuing about that if real life law precedent doesn't matter to you.

They nailed it at 30k. Was low but not to low. Anything under 5/10k would likely be to low to get tons of excitement and start to seem more Canadian gimmicky. I don't see them going below 20/25k if they even ever go that low. They have to be careful not to go really low to often or it loses its specialness. If I were them I'd go 50-75k on the next "low mintage" one whenever that might be as they have to also be careful not to over due special finishes or people get bored of those too.

It was smart to do the 100k one before the 30k.