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1974 S Lincoln 1c RPM

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 Posted 08/23/2021  12:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bumpkin to your friends list
Hello CoinHI. I had forgotten about the good tutorial on Lincolncentresource.com
Here is the link that explains the different S mint mark styles for each year. Yours appears to be about an exact match with MMS-009 which was used on the 1974 business strikes. For some reason the great picture you supplied of the closeup did not load on my computer last night. Now that I see that very good closeup pic of the mm I can see what you are referring to as the split but I think it is consistent with MMS-009. Hope this helps.
http://www.lincolncentresource.com/..._Styles.html
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 Posted 08/23/2021  1:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
Note the design is normal in size, just a contact mark on the mintmark.
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 Posted 08/23/2021  4:28 pm  Show Profile   Check -makecents-'s eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list

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Thank you Makecents, I had read that a while back and forgot.
You are welcome. If I had not been around for it's conception, (second hand anyway), I may have not been as familiar with it. Will's theory came about, I think around three years ago and then, after collecting many BU coins and data, did a study that lasted for a few months. He put this together with Ray's fantastic pictorial and sent to Dr. Wiles. Between Will's work and Ray's pics, I don't think it was tough for Dr. Wiles to come to his own conclusions.
It was cool to watch this transpire, before it was mainstream.
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 Posted 08/24/2021  11:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHI to your friends list
Wait, so the 1975 S 10c RPM-001,002 are the same punch but are still considered RPM's? (scratching head emoji)

http://varietyvista.com/07%20Roosev...%201975S.htm
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Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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 Posted 08/24/2021  11:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
No those two are different RPM. Look at the top serifs on those images. On is slight different than the other on the upper serif.
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 Posted 08/24/2021  11:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rambles to your friends list
I'm actually researching the same! Found one yesterday that's in gorgeous shape but was confused when I couldn't find any RPM list. Here's only info I did find.... I thought RMP, but apparently the actual punch itself was Re-Punched when they transitioned between mint mark styles that year? Atleast, that's what I got from the article. Kinda got my attention when it said it maybe only known instance of a Re-Punched punch. Lol. Just curious as to how someone concluded that... Maybe because of the transition between mark styles that year maybe? http://varietyvista.com/25%20What%2...201974-S.htm

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 Posted 08/24/2021  12:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
Reading that link just gave me a headache.
Wexler lost most of the RPM files for Roosevelt dimes. So if you have any, you might check to see if he would like to see them?
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While I'm thinking of it, mine is very light in color. It's just a lighter shade of bronze than I'm used to seeing on red Lincoln's from the 70's. I started to think my example was improperly cleaned. But yours kinda seems like it too... I posted last night about exactly this same thing. My camera sucks, but mine's definitely a match. If I come up with any info, I'll chime in here too. http://goccf.com/t/406313
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 Posted 08/24/2021  4:12 pm  Show Profile   Check -makecents-'s eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list
I was not trying to confuse the situation. The link I gave you, in a nutshell, is about the fact that MMS-009,(used 1974-1979) and MMS-004(used 1941-1942 & 1945-1952), are the same punch. By the time it was picked up and used again, in 1974, it was a well used punch, that had already developed a lot of "character" and continued to do so, through use. Much of what it developed over that time, has been mistaken for RPM's. Hope that helps.

Link to MM styles. http://www.varietyvista.com/01a%20L...20Styles.htm
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 Posted 08/25/2021  11:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHI to your friends list
Makecents- The confusing part for me is the article on VV states this punch was used on 1975 S Dimes (Proof). On VV also lists two RPM's for the 1975-S Dimes and there is even a "FS-501". Now looking at these RPM's, see Coop's post above, we can see the same identifiers on this punch, namely that there isn't a bottom split. VV also acknowledges that MMS-005 is the same as MMS-002 for dimes.
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Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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 Posted 08/25/2021  12:38 pm  Show Profile   Check -makecents-'s eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list
I did not send you that link but looked it over. You are talking about a different denomination, different punches and 9 years between the article you are referring to and the one I sent you.
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 Posted 08/25/2021  12:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
All the same punches are used for different denominations. This we know from damaged punch issues:
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 Posted 08/25/2021  1:01 pm  Show Profile   Check -makecents-'s eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list
I didn't actually know that, Coop, thanks. My only reference to this and that I was aware of, was the cent. The timeframe between publications was my point though, we learn new things over time.
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 Posted 08/25/2021  1:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
A lot of things are not mentioned, so when I wonder, I check to see if it is so. Then I know and can share something that others have not looked into yet.
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 Posted 08/25/2021  3:59 pm  Show Profile   Check -makecents-'s eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list
Alright, Coop, one last time and I'll quit beating this dead horse. Just got home and had time to look at everything.


Link for Lincoln mm styles, scroll down to MMS-009, shows same as MMS-004 punch, due to new research.http://www.varietyvista.com/01a%20L...20Styles.htm

Link for Roosevelt dime mm styles, scroll down to MMS-005, shows same as MMS-002 punch, due to new research.http://www.varietyvista.com/07%20Ro...20Styles.htm

The same shows for quarters and halves, as you pointed out, they used the same punches between denominations.

New research.http://www.varietyvista.com/Mystery...%20Punch.htm

This was what I was referring to with the OP's mm, that most of what he was seeing as an RPM, came from this overused punch and of course the hit you mentioned it took in the upper serif.
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