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1884 O Morgan Guess The Grade And Grading Company

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 Posted 12/05/2021  09:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list
strike is quite nice for this year which can be weak so thats a plus. unbroken luster. small amount of cheek chatter. carbon spot distracting. reverse MS65, obverse MS63+. net at MS64

not sure why you are acetoning it. do you think that will remove the carbon spot? maybe its the lighting but I'm not seeing any PVC
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 Posted 12/05/2021  10:25 am  Show Profile   Check Zurie's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list
Excellent luster, and the reverse looks great. I think that carbon spot would hold it back to MS-64.
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 Posted 12/05/2021  10:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list
Thanks for the replies. You can see light green goop over the entire coin in the first pair of photos. The second set of photos doesn't show acetone, that is after I removed it.

The original TPG packaging had it held in a PVC flip. It is now back in the original packaging in a 2x2. The TPG label shows the carbon spot has been there since 1987...
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 Posted 12/05/2021  11:23 am  Show Profile   Check Zurie's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list
If you know the carbon spot was there in 1987, you probably have an old ANACS photo certificate. I think they graded the obverse and reverse separately, so I'll change my guess to MS-63/65.
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 Posted 12/05/2021  11:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list

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strike is quite nice for this year which can be weak so thats a plus. unbroken luster. small amount of cheek chatter. carbon spot distracting. reverse MS65, obverse MS63+. net at MS64



No idea what a third-tier TPR would say on the grade. I can think of one basement slabber who would call it MS-66.
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 Posted 12/05/2021  1:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list
ICG called it an MS64 I think it's not far from an MS64 myself, MS63++++ Carbon spot probably has no effect on grading.
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I just realized you said the grading company is now out of business, so it can't be ANACS. It might be IGA (Independent Grading Associates), which was in business in 1987 and included photos, with the coin in a vinyl pouch.
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I just realized you said the grading company is now out of business


Opps, me too, as I said ICG and they are still around, maybe PCI?
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I'm right there with you, would be quite entertaining.

As for the coin, IGA graded MS65.

I'd say MS64/64+ due to the carbon spot, which, IMO, looks like many other carbon spots, just a bit darker than some. Clearly not a hole.
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 Posted 12/05/2021  7:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list
Are you guys available next Friday? I can bring the bean dip and spicy milk.


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which was in business in 1987 and included photos, with the coin in a vinyl pouch.

Good detective work. So you know they aren't around anymore, the company was in business during the 1980's, and the coin can be removed from the original PVC holder. Yall are warm, but nobody guessed it correct yet.

I will post results tomorrow afternoon.
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 Posted 12/05/2021  9:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ty2020b to your friends list
If not IGA, then I'm saying NCI, still calling MS65. I used to have handful of both companies "holdered" coins passed down from my grandparents. Took them out the first chance I got!
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 Posted 12/06/2021  08:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list
If it was an old photo-grade certificate with the coin in a PVC flip it was likely a split grade so it's a trick question...
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 Posted 12/06/2021  08:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ty2020b to your friends list
Ahhhh good point Dave. Final answer, NCI MS65/65, though they may have called the reverse 66. NCI was a bit more conservative than other lower tier TPG's though. If I remember right, the few I had weren't too far off.

Personally I'd call it MS64/65. Kind of like the whole split grade system.
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 Posted 12/07/2021  12:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list
Ladies and gentlemen, we have ourselves a winner! Ty2020b hit the nail right on the head. Your prize is 5,000 space bucks!
NCI MS-65/65

Do people look for these old holders and purchase them for the historical value?

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 Posted 12/07/2021  11:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ty2020b to your friends list
How bout an even trade, your 80-S for my 5,000 space bucks?!

Idk what others have done but I trashed the holders of the few I had.
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