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My 1851 Large Cent Has An O On The Reverse. Could This Be A Possible Mint Employee Or Trash?

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 Posted 05/29/2023  11:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list

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Where can I walk in this coin to be authenticated.?


Post mint damage. If it were mine, I would not waste money trying to get this coin authenticated as a mint error.

However, if you are bent on sending it in for authentication (or grading) I'd go the ANACS route. They accept direct submissions at most major coin shows. Go to their website for a listing of upcoming shows that they are scheduled to be at.
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 Posted 05/29/2023  11:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dukedlv to your friends list
Thank you for the advice westernsky. I'll take it to get laughed at tomorrow.
Through my cheesy paradoliascope the anomaly seems to be uniform with the surrounding patina.
I wish I had better resolution to upload.
I'll update tomorrow and let you know how fast they through me out of the certified PCGS dealer/appraiser
I know it's mint made (in my inside voice )
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 Posted 05/29/2023  11:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dukedlv to your friends list
And thank you to everybody for providing your input and thoughts. I do appreciate y'all efforts and time.
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 Posted 05/29/2023  11:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list
@Duke: what coin is that, that you posted just above? the one with the 1 over 100 on it? that is not part on the coin you are presenting. I don't see that or even the wreath details are different than what you show on the original coin.
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 Posted 05/30/2023  12:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list
My first thought was that someone was practicing their added mint mark skills. You can see where the metal was gouged up to make the O. If it was overstruck on a 1/100 cent, it couldn't be on top of the other letters like it is (other than it being the wrong shape and size of course). Like many of these things it's clearly not from the mint, but how, what, why are speculation. People do all kinds of things to coins.

Edit - @Dearborn I took that as just an example of an earlier cent.
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 Posted 05/30/2023  12:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dukedlv to your friends list
That pic, I took off the net to use as an example. I do not own that coin.
Just trying to figure out how that anomaly got in my coin.
The pic with 1/100 is not mine but I can see the remnants of 1/100 on my 1851 cent. Coins used to be recycled or re-minted up to 19somethjng
And a century and a half or so minted by hand .
Good night
I'll post and update tomorrow and we can all laugh at me .maybe
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 Posted 05/30/2023  12:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list
I agree with kbbpll, looks like it was added deliberately later on, as the color is different and may not even be same metal alloy from the beginning of the third photo.
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 Posted 05/30/2023  06:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list
Dukedlv,
How about sending it in to ANACS so they can slab it and then post a full slab photo front and back here on CCF?
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 Posted 05/30/2023  10:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list
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Your post was moved to the appropriate forum for the proper attention.
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 Posted 05/30/2023  2:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ploopy to your friends list
Definitely PMD
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 Posted 05/30/2023  4:45 pm  Show Profile   Check robbudo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add robbudo to your friends list
What kind of update are you getting tomorrow? Does ANACS happen to be doing a show near you?
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 Posted 05/30/2023  6:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list
It looks like a mount mark to me - someone attached something like a brooch mount to the coin by soldering, then later it broke off, leaving an "o"-shaped stump. The damage on the rim next to the "o", and the damage around the E in CENT, are consistent with this hypothesis. Mount marks are, of course, post-mint damage, and not any kind of mint error.

Your hypothesis, that it is the remnant of an undertype of an older cent which featured 1/100 in the design, fails to explain how just one "o" survived the overstriking so strongly, when the rest of the design - including elements much stronger than the "1/100", like the wreath and the obverse portrait - were totally obliterated.

When a coin is overstruck, surviving details tend to be preserved on the high points, not on the low points. Have a look at this Brazilian silver coin, which was overstruck on a Spanish-colonial dollar. The undertype's lettering is mostly obliterated, but is still faintly visible overall, and is especially well preserved on the high points - on the arms of the cross, and "on top of" the new lettering.

Your "o", on the other hand, is on a low point of your coin, not a high point.
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 Posted 05/30/2023  9:48 pm  Show Profile   Check robbudo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add robbudo to your friends list
Sap - that hypothesis makes a LOT of sense.

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 Posted 05/30/2023  11:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list
Good news, your coin is a brothel token. Altered E in CENT to look like a potty word.

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 Posted 05/31/2023  07:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list
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As a decades-long collector of counterstamps, my observation is simply PMD; this, as all counterstamps are. I see no rhyme or reason to this one. Many a machinist, back when, would test a stamp on a coin. Likely, this "o" punch was such an event.

Take this coin to any show and solicit in-hand, dealer thoughts. I'm willing to bet that PMD will be the strong, majority opinion.
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