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Collecting For A Few Days Now And Could Use Some Advice!

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 Posted 01/23/2008  12:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Neffchiro to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you everyone for all your help! I woke up today and was amazed at the advice, encouragement and welcoming attitude.

I went ahead and ordered a 2007 mint proof and uncirculated set and will make this an annual purchase. I also looked into some bags of cents and called my bank. They have a box of pennies waiting for me to pick up at lunch time.

Regarding the albums v. folders, I really appreciated the advice from just_carl. Is this the general consensus? I've got a bunch of the folders, but perhaps those can be the set my son plays with (shiny new coins and heavily worn circulated coins) and I'll keep the good stuff in an album? Or should I just scrap the folders altogether and keep everything in the album?

With the album, does the coin fit snugly in there sandwiched between the plastic, or is it free to jiggle around?

Thanks again for all the advice!

Brandon
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 Posted 01/23/2008  12:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add j_h_s to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
my albums have panels with holes for coins. Inside the top and bottom layers is a space into which a thin plastic coverslip slips in underneath and over the coin, making obverse and reverse visible and protected. I have Dansco and Whitman albums...expensive but worth it if you're planning to collect for a long time and want to protect your coins properly.

These are hyperlinks from only one vendor and I'm sure there are competitive prices out there.


Whitman: http://www.joelscoins.com/supplies2.htm#classic
Dansco: http://www.joelscoins.com/supplies2.htm#dansco


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 Posted 01/23/2008  1:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mahgobbi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I prefer the albums, but I use a knock-off brand which most of the serious collectors would probably frown on. I like the albums much more than the folders because you can see both sides of the coins. I also like that the coins stay snugly in the holes, but you don't have the break your thumbs off getting them in like you do with the folders.

The albums that I use cost me only about $1 to $2 more each than the folders do and I am VERY happy with them. They are Intercept Shield knockoffs. They look the same, but I paid about $5 each instead of $40 each. I know the pros all use Dansco albums, but I think these are a great way to start out for only slightly more cost than buying lots of cheap folders.

For my first order, I bought only the Lincoln Cents book so I could see the quality. It is a COMPLETE book, beginning in 1909 and running through 2007 (still annoys me that they didn't continue it until 2009), so you can fit 3 folders worth of pennies into the one album. The albums contain holes for all proof coins too.

I was happy with the quality of the album, so I placed another large order for every other album they make. I ended up paying $108.99 (including shipping) for 19 albums. These are the albums I ordered (I wanted the extra Lincoln Cents albums). The knockoff brand did not have the "current" date albums, but I'm sure eventually they'll come out with them.

A-0010 Indian Head cents 1857-1909 $35.00
(ORDERED TWO) A-0020 Lincoln Cents 1909-2007 (including proofs) $46.50
A-0030 Buffalo nickels 1913-1938 $32.50
A-0040 Jefferson nickels 1938-2002 (including proofs) $41.50
A-0050 Mercury dimes 1916-1945 $32.50
A-0060 Roosevelt dimes 1946-2002 (including proofs) $38.50
A-0070 Washington quarters 1932-1998 (including proofs) $46.00
A-0081 Washington Statehood Quarters 1999-2008 (P & D) $41.50
A-0090 Walking Liberty half dollars 1916-1947 $38.50
A-0100 Franklin half dollars 1948-1963 $32.50
A-0110 Kennedy Half-Dollars 1964-2001 (including proofs) $44.50
A-0120 Morgan dollars 1878-1890 $44.50
A-0130 Morgan dollars 1891-1921 $44.50
A-0140 Peace dollars 1921-1935 $32.50
A-0150 Eisenhower dollars 1971-1978 (including proofs) $38.50
A-0160 American Eagle Silver Dollars 1986-2003 (including proofs) $38.50
A-0170 Susan B. Anthony (including proofs) $32.50
A-0180 Sacagawea dollars $32.50

The prices above are the Intercept Prices...this knockoff line uses the same Book Numbers.

Here's what the knockoffs look like:
Collecting-For-A-Few-Days-Now-And-Could-Use-Some-Advice!
Collecting-For-A-Few-Days-Now-And-Could-Use-Some-Advice!
Collecting-For-A-Few-Days-Now-And-Could-Use-Some-Advice!
Collecting-For-A-Few-Days-Now-And-Could-Use-Some-Advice!

The guy I bought them from sells them for $5.99 each on ebay with $4.99 flat shipping no matter how many you order. I got the 19 albums for $108.99 as a special deal because I bought so many.
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 Posted 01/23/2008  2:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd keep the folders and let your son use them. I started as a kid with folders. After I learned more about the hobby, I started using albums. There is also no problem starting with folders to get a feel for the hobby, just move to albums once you start investing serious money.

I still have my old folders with my duplicates in them. Once my son is old enough (he won't even be here until April), I will introduce him to the hobby with these folders. Kids have a way of being less than delicate with things, so with folders and lower grade coins, you'll come out okay!
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 Posted 01/23/2008  3:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ceaton to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
How I work my collection is simple. I have a Dansco for my top of the line type coins, then I have like 2 folders. Now once I update my dansco with a new better coins, I start swapping. So eventually i'll have 1 Dansco, and 2 folders full of nice coins. Now of course this isn't the case for key date coins, but you get the idea ;)

This could be a solution for your extra folders.
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 Posted 01/23/2008  4:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Neffchiro to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think you are on to something. I think I'll order some albums (Dansco look good to me, although the Whitman are a bit more nostalgic...I think my grandfather had a Whitman board or folder he collected in when he was a teenager in the 1940's and I like the cost of the knock offs mentioned above by mahgobbi) and let my son keep duplicate and commonplace coins in the folders. That should make us both happy, and perhaps keep him from playing with the albums!

I just stopped at the bank and snagged $50 in pennies and $50 in nickels, so I've got an enjoyable evening in front of me! I asked the bank if they could obtain half dollars and I was told no. Has anyone had a problem with this? I guess I ought to try another bank. From work I'm within walking distance of 4 different banks.

Any suggestions for skimming through the coins? At this point, I'm mostly looking at collecting a date and mint for each penny, but is there a general rule of thumb for keeping stuff, like anything pre WWII? Should I scrutinize every coin or just learn which ones are likely to have valuable flaws?

Likewise, I've noticed a few people mention finding proof coins in rolls. Are these just sharper and crisper than the standard circulating coin? I figure after years of wear it might be hard to tell the difference.

Thanks again!

Brandon
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 Posted 01/24/2008  05:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add j_h_s to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have compiled several resources to help me identify and learn about key dates, semi-key dates, variety, and error coins...they include "A Guide Book of Lincoln Cents" and "The Official Red Book..." and various websites with price guides and variety/error listings. Here are some of them

http://conecaonline.org/content/Top1001cRPMs.htm
http://hermes.csd.net/~coneca/varie...istings.html
http://www.diskworks.com/pocket.html
http://www.lincolncentresource.com/Top50.html

and you'll notice on the PCGS price guide that, while their quotes are high, they list varieties on their sheet.

http://www.pcgs.com/prices/


These are but some of the very MANY resources available.


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 Posted 02/19/2008  1:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mickel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Brandon,

Welcome! I am new to this forum to but I am not new to collecting. Yes I totally agree with everyone here that you need to collect what is going to bring you the most enjoyment and sat satisfaction for you and you son. My collection began with my grandfather and past down to my father and then me in addition to my mother's collection. I take great pride in it because it is not only US history but it memories of my family as well. As far as a just getting into collecting coins my Two Cents would be to know as much as you can about what your looking for. Example: I was browsing a local flee market (not looking for anything in particular) when I came across a vendor who had a many coins for sale. He had a tin a wheaties he was selling for twenty five cent for one wheat back. The second penny I looked at was a 1909; I flipped it and saw the VDB. Right then and there I gave him a quater for it. The penny I found was in better condition than what he was selling another one for the price of $30.00. Point being the more you know the better with respect to what you want to collect. Personally I think one should have several areas to get coins, pawn shops, flee markets, a trusted coin seller friends/relatives.

I totally agree I would not open the proof sets you get from the Mint or anywhere else. If I were you I would start with the wheat back and memorial Lincoln because the design will be changing in early 2009. Good luck and have fun!
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Sorry the web site is Link Removed good luck with the pennies!

Mike


Hi Mike ,,I know your trying to help ,,and I appreciate that ,,but forum rules do not allow new members to post outside links until they have reached 50 posts ,, Metalman
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my suggestion is to start with Lincoln cents - your son can learn to handle them and you can learn to grade - buy a box and you will be able to grade them once you've sorted the final coin. I would build several sets - 1 for you, and 2 for each kid (one to learn with and one to save)

there are several guides to grading, you can pick up either Photograde or the ANA Grading Guide, but you can use http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/.../grading.php to get you started.

-steve
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Likewise, I've noticed a few people mention finding proof coins in rolls. Are these just sharper and crisper than the standard circulating coin? I figure after years of wear it might be hard to tell the difference.


The metal that proofs are made out of is polished before it goes through the dies, making the field (the flat part with nothing on it) shinier. I think they are also struck harder to produce a better image, but IDK for sure.

Proofs are only minted in San Fransisco, and they are the only coins minted there, thus all proof coins have an 'S' mintmark. Just the other day I was going through my penny oops, I mean cent jar, and I found a '71-S, and a '72-S. But you are correct, without that mint mark I would never have known it was a proof.

Welcome to the Forum Neff, I have recently rediscovered the hobby I enjoyed as a kid, but there is much more to it then I ever knew. Come on in to the pool, the water is friendly. These 'experts' need us newbs to help them justlfy all the time and money they have spent on this great hobby. How much you learn is up to you, the members of this forum have been very friendly and knowledgeable thus far, and the only questions they won't answer are the ones you don't ask. So from one newb to another:
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I mean cent jar, and I found a '71-S, and a '72-S. But you are correct, without that mint mark I would never have known it was a proof.

From 1968 until 1974, the San Francisco mint did indeed make business strike Lincoln Memorial Cents, so you will find 1968-S~1974-S Lincolns in circulation.
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 Posted 02/19/2008  5:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TSOTL to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, well, well, it sounds like the bug bite you good and hard. heheheh

You would probably enjoy a trip to your local coin shops and/or shows. Put google to work and see what you can find in your area and check them out. Be sure to remember that "buyer beware" is a biggie in this hobby. I don't mean to scare you off but some people like to clean out the new collectors before they get educated. Some dealers are better than others so just look around and explain that you're a newbie and see how they treat you. If you're lucky you'll find someone that will take some time to help you understand things and answer questions (be sure to buy a little something in return for their time and patience). If they don't have time for a new collector just move on and keep looking.

As for the education part you will have a lot of questions and it sounds like you're doing well with that so far by reading up on this forum, asking about things and buying a RedBook. You might want to check out you're local library as well and see what kind of books and/or magazines they have. Go slow for now and don't get carried away with throwing around money until you know a little about what you're doing and that should cut down on those little life lesson thingies this hobby can hold (we've all got stories so don't get down if you screw up a bit).

Oh, and don't let the little guy stick any cents in his mouth. I've heard the newer ones can do nasty things to kids that swallow them.
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MorganNoob, what are you going to do with your username when you have, like, 2000 posts on the forum?

I think they've said it all. Use albums, 2x2s, and Air-Tites, to store coins, and don't get too carried away. I like Morgan dollars, and they're quite inexpensive in the common dates. And who knows what a hunk of silver will be worth 50 years from now?
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I would let the hobby try and grow on you, I started because I had been living in the US and picked up half dollars, a Buffalo nickel, and the State Quarter program was starting up, then moved to spain, 4 months before the euro was introduced, so I had pesetas as well as euros and they just tried to build a modern collection which moved on to franco's coins and the kings before that, then in the UK I collected the money I had always used as a kid, and moved to germany and got a collection of german coins as well.
I am on a budget so I do more modern coins, nothing more that $20-$30 for the most expensive coins. I bought what I needed, the books, the albums, rather than actively went out and said that I was a coin collecter. As everyone else has said, you need to find your thing. Do you get a buzz out of getting that new coin (been waiting for three 2007 british coins since december when they normally come out ugg), or do you want silver, old, new, foreign, everything. You can only decide by letting the hobby take you away on a little trip, so to speak, I think you decide subconsciously what you really want.
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