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194? P LWC Grease Filled But It May The Holy Grail? Will Be Sent Off.

 
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 Posted 05/25/2019  10:03 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Jim0815 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I found this 194? P LWC and you can see the 4, barely can see the 1 and the 9 and by all accounts I believe the last digit to be a 3. The outline sure looks like a 3 and not an 8. It weighs 3.09 grams. I know most will be skeptical but with coin in hand it looks like the outline of the 3. Regardless this one is going to be sent off for scrutiny.


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 Posted 05/25/2019  10:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Roro57 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can see why you would want to get it checked out, very interesting and I look forward to the results. Good Luck!
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 Posted 05/25/2019  10:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim0815 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you. My hopes are even on this and yes, it is a very interesting cent.
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 Posted 05/25/2019  10:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHunter27 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting....best of luck with the results!

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 Posted 05/25/2019  10:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add QuarterHoarder72 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think it actually may be the holy grail. It's quite compelling. I hope it is the real deal.
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 Posted 05/25/2019  11:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim0815 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's being sent off Tuesday.
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 Posted 05/25/2019  11:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Who are you sending it to Jim?
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 Posted 05/25/2019  11:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim0815 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dr. James Wiles. That is the route I am taking first. If he attributes it as a 1943 P then I'll send it to PCGS.
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Not totally convinved but go for it I guess. Even if it was a 43 copper it would have less value if the last digit isn't fully legiable.
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Yes sir, but IF it attributes as such it will be only the 13th found and would still be incredibly valuable. Honestly I think the final results will be inconclusive. Not yes, not no.
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 Posted 05/25/2019  12:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If I'm looking at the same thing you are, that "3" image looks way too low relative to the 4 for the correct 1943 date logo. Can you trace what you see on the close-up?
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 Posted 05/25/2019  12:34 pm  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not very convinced etheir. Can't be a 1943.
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 Posted 05/25/2019  12:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All eleven of the "4s" are different from each other on the 1940s cents (including both "4s" on the 1944). The "stiletto heel" 4 of 1946 is the most extreme, but all of the differences are identifiable.

You may be able to make the determination from close examination of four things:
Is the angle of the "4" blunt or pointed?
Is the top of the "4" north, aligned with, or south of a horizontal line from the top of the "1"?
Is the "4" crossbar above, on, or below a horizontal line from the bottom of the curl of the "9"?
is the "4" spaced narrowly, normally, or wide of the second digit?

The 1943 cents have blunt serifs and a blunt angle, with the top of the "4" aligned above the horizontal from the "1" and the crossbar of the "4" resting on the top of the horizontal line from the bottom of the curl of the "9." The angle of the "4" is a normal distance from the "9" on the 1943.

Just as an example, the 1945 cents have blunt serifs but a pointed angle, the top of the "4" is aligned with the top of the "1," the crossbar of the "4" is above the bottom of the "1" and spacing from the "9" is normal. In other words, the 1945 "4' is sharper and slightly more squat than the 1943 "4."
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 Posted 05/25/2019  1:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here are images of the full dates. All set horizontal with LIBERTY.


I made an overlay and it matches 1948 the best on the first three devices. Not all the digits on the '4' are located the same. Some have a curl on them.
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