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Raw 1916 Standing Liberty Quarter Sold For $4,600 On Ebay. Is It Real?

 
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 Posted 09/16/2019  1:20 pm Show Profile   Check Paul Bulgerin's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add Paul Bulgerin to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
This uncertified 1916 Standing Liberty quarter sold for $4,600 on eBay today. I came across it just a few minutes before it ended. The seller's photos are not overly clear, but I have some questions about the authenticity of this coin.

I am certainly no expert, and may be wrong about it, but am trying to learn to authenticate coins and have looked at the diagnostics of an authentic 1916. I have several questions about this piece.

The "6" in the date looks strangely shaped.

The drapery on the right arm seems to hand lower than it should on a 1916.

The shield looks much better struck than you would expect on a 1916 with this amount of wear.

The photos aren't clear enough for me to be able to make an assessment on the hair.

I would appreciate the thoughts and comments from other CCF members on this coin. Thanks.

Here is the link to the auction: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Genuine-19...xUJ7PFk%253D


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 Posted 09/16/2019  1:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KenKat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The pictures are pretty bad but all of the diagnostics I know to look for makes it seem like a 1917 that's been altered and not a genuine 1916.

Can't imagine why anyone would bid thousands on an uncertified rarity with bad pictures!
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 Posted 09/16/2019  1:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Heh, not only are the diagnostics wrong but the weight is way under as well.

Here is an example of the same counterfeit for waaaayyy less money. https://www.ebay.com/itm/-/13317313...l_noapp=true
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 Posted 09/16/2019  1:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks counterfeit/altered to me. Date doesn't look right at all. Surfaces appear to be very porous.

The purchaser is going to be in for a rude awakening when either one of these two things happen: 1) he tries to sell it to a knowledgeable collector or dealer; or 2) he sends it off for 3rd party grading.
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 Posted 09/16/2019  2:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Heymikep to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks like it was previously sold for $4550 in August. He has a return policy so I am thinking the original purchaser sent it back or it is a shill bidder. If not shill bidding then WOW! 2 different auctions fooled that many bidders!
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 Posted 09/16/2019  2:12 pm  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
100% fake if you know what to look for
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 Posted 09/16/2019  2:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Paul - Thanks for the pics and info.
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 Posted 09/16/2019  2:30 pm  Show Profile   Check Paul Bulgerin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Paul Bulgerin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I didn't even think of checking the weight!
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 Posted 09/16/2019  2:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add James Hicks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Complete counterfeit
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 Posted 09/16/2019  4:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I took care of it.
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 Posted 09/16/2019  5:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hope you could stop the transaction, Bobby. Thanks for being a great watch dog.
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 Posted 09/16/2019  6:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No sane and serious collector of a $thousand dollar plus U.S. coin would buy a raw 1916 SLQ in any condition, on eBay.

Such a coin would need to independently verified by a professional before making a decision to bid.
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 Posted 09/17/2019  12:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Amazing that people would put out that kind of money and not know what they are buying.
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 Posted 09/17/2019  1:07 pm  Show Profile   Check Yokozuna's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Yokozuna to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That really doesn't look right. It's doesn't match any of the diagnostics I would use. I hope the buyer catches the problems before they lose that much money.

I wouldn't spend a $46 dollars, let alone $4600 on a coin that looked like that without some sort of certification or 100% money back promise WHEN it proves to be an altered or forged coin.


I tried to look at the ebay listing but the link above doesn't lead anywhere. Has the listing been removed?
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 Posted 09/17/2019  1:20 pm  Show Profile   Check nss-52's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add nss-52 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Has the listing been removed?
Yes.
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 Posted 09/17/2019  2:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's the seller link in case he relists for a third time...

https://www.ebay.com/sch/waboo98/m.html
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